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Pee Jensen over at The Independent

Splits, rows and plots: Mourinho era coming to a close


Even a decisive cup victory over Barcelona tonight may not be enough to earn the Portuguese survival at Real.


Tired of Real Madrid against Barcelona? Don't worry, there's a new show in town – Real Madrid against Mourinho. It debuted at the weekend and it should run until the end of June. It is not expected to be back in the autumn.

Ahead of tonight's second leg quarter-final of the Spanish Cup against Barcelona, Jose Mourinho was asked yesterday if he was happy at the club. "Mmm" was his reply, accompanied by a brief nodding of the head. He isn't.

The dream of becoming the first coach to do the "grand slam" by winning the English, Italian and Spanish league titles is alive and well. Real are five points clear and have scored 67 goals – a Spanish record for the first half of the season. But that counts for nothing at a club who have hired and fired 30 times in the last 30 years.

Two defeats by Barcelona in the space of a month have helped reopen the wounds inflicted the last time the club had to face their foe twice in quick succession. The damage done by the Spanish Super Cup defeat festered for a while but a run of 15 straight victories lifted everyone.

Last weekend's Spanish Cup first-leg defeat brought all the bad feeling to the surface again in a squad accused of being torn into two camps – the Portuguese-speaking players who defend and are defended by their coach and the Spanish internationals who don't and aren't. "I don't' create cliques," said Mourinho yesterday, almost inadvertently confirming that they exist.

Sergio Ramos said last night: "The relationship with the coach has always been good, Mourinho remains the ideal coach for Madrid, and we are content with him." That came after the club's second captain had been summoned to president Florentino Perez's business headquarters on Monday, to report on the mood in the dressing room. That the president chose to confer with a player and not the man he pays to manage the players may indicate that the point of no return has been reached regardless of Ramos' comments.

Last Friday, a row between Ramos and Mourinho revealed another crack. "Where were you when [Carles] Puyol scored?" Mourinho asked the defender. Ramos had been told to mark Puyol. His explanation was that he had decided to swap with Pepe; that sometimes during a game the players know best; and that Mourinho would not understand because "he had never been a player". That may well prove to have been another death knell.

Worse than the argument having taken place was the fact that it found its way on to the front page of Marca the morning before Real's home match on Sunday. It will not have been Mourinho's first training-ground row, but the leaking of it suggested a deliberate plan to undermine him.

He held a meeting with the players before Sunday's match, branding the incident unprofessional, desperate to unearth the mole. The goalkeeper Iker Casillas was also targeted by Mourinho in the training-ground exchange, making him a suspect.

But a much worse scenario for Mourinho than the leak coming from one of his players is the possibility that the club itself may have played a part in the information reaching Spain's top-selling daily. The club's in-house TV channel will have been the only broadcasters within microphone distance of the altercation. Regardless of the source, it is understood that the club president knew of the following morning's front page on Saturday night and no steps were taken to prevent it going to press.

The row went beyond the argument over Ramos overruling his manager. Mourinho accused his players of "killing" him in the mixed zone after the game, adding that "as Spain World Cup winners" they knew they would be protected by their friends in the press.

There is a perceived favouritism stretching back to last season, when a Jorge Valdano rollicking to Pepe in the Real dressing room, for the way he had spoken to a rival in the tunnel, is believed to have been the catalyst for Mourinho banning the then sporting director from the dressing room.

The Brazilian full-back Marcelo said after the weekend's win: "If there were divisions then you would see evidence of it on the pitch." In the same game cameras had picked up Ronaldo giving Xabi Alonso a long, cold stare, after he had pushed his protesting team-mate in the back in an attempt to move him up the pitch and away from a possible booking.

The differences are not always divided along national lines. The Spanish players may have led the cries of "Real Madrid cannot sit on a 1-0 lead at home against Barcelona" in the inquest to the last defeat but it was Ronaldo who in last year's first leg Champions League semi-final put hands on hips, puffed out his cheeks and looked up to the heavens in a fairly candid rejection of his manager's tactics.

Mourinho still believes that Barcelona are best beaten over two legs by beating them narrowly in the first leg and then punishing them on the counter attack in the second: "1-0 is a good result for the home team in the first leg" he said after the match last week, before lamenting the sloppy equaliser.

Settling for 1-0 is never enough for Real and the image they have of themselves, coloured as it is by an ever-more distant past. One-nil tonight will not be enough. Madrid must score twice and Mourinho could pair the attacking midfielders Mesut Ozil and Kaka, who have won eight of the nine games they have started together. "Pepe will play if fit," Mourinho revealed yesterday.

Will what happens tonight mark a before and after in his relationship with the club? "I'm not answering that," he said. Could it be that win, lose or draw, too much damage has already been done for the game to change anything?
 

Myrmecophile

Mr. Japes
The title is more important than the Clásicos, this should not even be debated.

Not surprising that some people on here think so when some of our players seem to as well.
 

La LL

Generally Delightful
if only his last name was inyourmouth

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Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
A German Barcelona club member has filed a complaint with the Spanish courts against Real Madrid player Pepe for his stamp on Messi. [rac1]

Loving it :D
 

Clockwise

Buccaneer
Cristiano , Higuain and Benzema voiced their disapproval before starting by last year as well

I said the day after the clasico and before all this brought to the press that Jose will leave this summer and it will be his decision .. he is setting the stage for that so no one will blame him or Perez for the expected departure.

the reason behind CR protesting could be interpreted differently in different views and he went back to a good obedient kid after he sat one match out. I respect Higuain and Benzema both are gems as players and always give their all, so kudos to them. But all of those players considered, do not make a big number looking at the large RM squad nor they show unity (Spanish guys excluded. and ironic thing is, meeting Barca players at the national camp played an important role in unifying them too) in what they want.

And I think he will keep it like you say in the bold part as long as he finds a good club for himself, then when he finds enough myopic fans and media support there he may forget his place (again) and finally talk/imply some shit about RM, the club that dared to be/want bigger than him, after that.
 

el tren

Adolfo Valencia
A German Barcelona club member has filed a complaint with the Spanish courts against Real Madrid player Pepe for his stamp on Messi. [rac1]

Loving it :D
It sounds funny but that is quite usual in germany and happens all the time when violent acts happen on the field, several ppl suing the player in question afterwards.
 

Beast

The Observer
the reason behind CR protesting could be interpreted differently in different views and he went back to a good obedient kid after he sat one match out. I respect Higuain and Benzema both are gems as players and always give their all, so kudos to them. But all of those players considered, do not make a big number looking at the large RM squad nor they show unity (Spanish guys excluded. and ironic thing is, meeting Barca players at the national camp played an important role in unifying them too) in what they want.

And I think he will keep it like you say in the bold part as long as he finds a good club for himself, then when he finds enough myopic fans and media support there he may forget his place (again) and finally talk/imply some shit about RM, the club that dared to be/want bigger than him, after that.

You will be surprised about the numbers how many Portuguese in the club ?? think again
.. look CR (ego and shit things aside ) at the end of the day want to show his attacking strength.. being thrown away alone in the attacking area without support or creation won't make him happy.. not for RM sake but for his own sake..
forget about issues between the spanish players.. old guards are all friends and mature whether Iker, Xabi or Xavi , Puyol..they won't let escalate that's why Iker mended things right after the issues after the clasico ..
 

Clockwise

Buccaneer
Desperate measures are often believed to require desperate measures...Some will risk much to taste victory or trump a despised rival...even making a deal with a known entity like Mou

Apparently Torres has been tracking these stories for awhile and must have some sort of source to come up with such specific information that rattles the cage the way it does...Is it a player?...I almost think it has to be and it's gotta be a Spanish player really...Iker?

Iniesta commented last night that relations with Spanish players last season were badly affected by RM players crossing the line but seemed resolute & confident that there would be no repeat of that (Xabi must've missed the memo) this season...It would seem Spanish NT teammates have come to an understanding that supercedes what Mou may demand - which was often devoid of actual football, per usual for Mou

It's a fascinating case of a chasm in the squad that no pressy or BBQ is going to patch up or spin...Now it's merely a matter of how long before it fissures completely

I think Perez didn't expect that Mou can go this far. They probably thought that he would act much more nobly than he has done, because they were no Chelsea or Porto or Inter, but Real Madrid after all. Plus what would be the need for all the drama when he was going to have the best of the world at his disposal? add to that, his (superficially) confident, bold and arrogant character and his fame as a great man manager, most of those traits could be fascinating for a desperate president.
Sid Lowe says it and rightly so that there are many people at the ground of Santiago Bernabeu not only Iker (although considering his girlfriend makes him even more of a suspect), and when the reports have provoked no reaction among the big boys of Madrid, a club that is always fast to react, it means that it could be anyone, even someone put there by the big guys to see what is going on in the dressing room. Perez partly killed himself by obeying Mou and, first accepting to keep dressing room away from Valdano's surveillance and then firing him out of being desperate ,as you say. Him talking straight to players to know what's going on instead of asking Mou shows he knows it.

as I said in my last post it's ironic that Barca players at the national camp played an important role in making the shared understanding between Madrid Spanish guys.
 

Poor_Sunyol

In Lucho we trust!
You will be surprised about the numbers how many Portuguese in the club ?? think again
.. look CR (ego and shit things aside ) at the end of the day want to show his attacking strength.. being thrown away alone in the attacking area without support or creation won't make him happy.. not for RM sake but for his own sake..
forget about issues between the spanish players.. old guards are all friends and mature whether Iker, Xabi or Xavi , Puyol..they won't let escalate that's why Iker mended things right after the issues after the clasico ..

Which got him dropped!
 
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