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aRegularAce

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Abaddon said:
Furthermore, you're not making any sense. NOBODY wanted to buy Eto'o or pay his wages or whatever, yet Inter accepted him as a bargaining chip worth 20M??? If they accept him as an asset worth 20M in a swap deal they'd be willing to pay 20M for him as well, and they have to pay his wages regardless, which you said nobody was willing to pay. So now suddenly Eto'o is not getting paid cause he was in a part exchange deal?
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The only reason they were willing to pay eto'o's wages is because they sold ibra. If ibra stayed they were never gonna make a bid for eto'o. Inter needed a world class replacement, that's the only reason why they were willing to budge in Eto'o's wages demand.

Beast said:
No beef.. u asked Citeh for 35 Mil and they agreed.. u priced out Eto'o in his last year of contract out of the market..
if u put Eto'o for 20 Million plenty of clubs CAN offered him especially that the difference between your price originally and the 20 will make his salary very affordable ..
Nobody wanted to pay you 35 Million for Eto'o.. which is logical but for 20 from Man U to Arsenal to Chelsea..etc all of them would put a bid and can easily afford his wages
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Plenty of clubs can(could have) pay the 20M. But they WONT, because he was in his last year. Plus eto'o's wages demand were huge, hence they rather wait a year. To the club(barca) he was worth 20M atleast, but to the other clubs much less.
 
beef-supreme

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Abaddon said:
stop contradicting yourself guys, which is it gonna be? Was he worth zero or wasn't he worth zero.

Furthermore, you're not making any sense. NOBODY wanted to buy Eto'o or pay his wages or whatever, yet Inter accepted him as a bargaining chip worth 20M??? If they accept him as an asset worth 20M in a swap deal they'd be willing to pay 20M for him as well, and they have to pay his wages regardless, which you said nobody was willing to pay. So now suddenly Eto'o is not getting paid cause he was in a part exchange deal?
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What??? I am not contradicting myself, I am explaining the simple concept of "conditional value". I didn't say any part of that second bit that you said.
Player transfers aren't that simple. Why would Inter want to buy Eto'o for 20M alone - it would overload their striking lineup. They wanted to get rid of Ibra because Ibra wanted to leave, so swapping with Barca for Eto'o would be the perfect deal. Because Ibra has no risk of his contract running out, he has a higher worth than Eto'o, who will leave for FREE next year. So Barca needed to do something to offload him, quick. Ibra was valued at a certain amount (over 60M), and we paid 40M cash for him, which puts Eto'o's value at 20M. HOWEVER, had this transfer exchange not occurred, NOBODY would have been interested in paying Eto'o's wages, and he would have stayed, and left for FREE next year. Then we would have had to pay 60M for Ibra. So better to get rid of Eto'o now and get a 20M "discount" off Ibra, if you will. I never said that Eto'o isn't getting paid and I don't know where that came from.

Beast said:
No beef.. u asked Citeh for 35 Mil and they agreed.. u priced out Eto'o in his last year of contract out of the market..
if u put Eto'o for 20 Million plenty of clubs CAN offered him especially that the difference between your price originally and the 20 will make his salary very affordable ..
Nobody wanted to pay you 35 Million for Eto'o.. which is logical but for 20 from Man U to Arsenal to Chelsea..etc all of them would put a bid and can easily afford his wages



They are unbelievable .. they can't come in terms with the fact that their club paid 70 Million for a player , trying to run around the price as much as they can same way Barca management lied about Hleb and when the loan deal was broken they were exposed ..
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1st. part. Selling Eto'o for 35M (even if that price WERE attainable) would still not be good enough for Barca. Barca need a striking replacement, Guardiola has asked for Ibra, and 35M isn't enough. It's better to use Eto'o as a piece of the deal with Ibra, and get Ibra for cheaper. Who knows if Inter would even have SOLD Ibra if we had gone to them with cash?? Probably not, because they wouldn't be able to bring anyone in to replace him. As for what you said about the other EPL teams, refer to my above bit about that amount of cash not being sufficient.
I am NOT saying that what Barca did was a good deal. I said it in my above post that Txiki messed up, as usual.
HOWEVER. I AM saying that without this trade of Eto'o at a valuation of 20M, Ibra wouldn't even be at Barca in the first place. Neither would Villa because Valencia wouldn't sell. Eto'o as a trading chip was NECESSARY and yet not EFFICIENT. But in a way it was. BECAUSE Barca gained 20M, cause Eto'o would have GONE ON A FREE ANYWAY. Barca NEEDED a replacement striker for Eto'o, and here we have one in the form of Ibra.

Do you get me now? It's NOT a good deal, but it's a necessary one, and it saves 20M OR gets us a striker and saves us the risk of not having one for the 08/09 season. It's conditional.
 
John Antonio Bilboa

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I think your misunderstanding the point here, he was worth a reduced price due to the fact that he was in his last year at the club.Therefore his value as an asset was €0, our ability to make a profit on the sale of eto'o was none.
By using eto'o as bargaining chip we were increasing his value to us, and getting a player that is valued at a higher amount cheaper.
 
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beef-supreme

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John Antonio Bilboa said:
I think your misunderstanding the point here, he was worth a reduced price due to the fact that he was in his last year at the club.Therefore his value as an asset was €0, our ability to make a profit on the sale of eto'o was none.
By using eto'o as bargaining chip we were increasing his value to us.
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Abaddon

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aRegularAce said:
The only reason they were willing to pay eto'o's wages is because they sold ibra. If ibra stayed they were never gonna make a bid for eto'o. Inter needed a world class replacement, that's the only reason why they were willing to budge in Eto'o's wages demand.
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And this matters because? Ibra didn't stay and they paid Samu's wages. There goes the "Eto'o was not transferable cause nobody wanted to pay his wages"-theory.

beef-supreme said:
What??? I am not contradicting myself, I am explaining the simple concept of "conditional value". I didn't say any part of that second bit that you said.
Player transfers aren't that simple. Why would Inter want to buy Eto'o for 20M alone - it would overload their striking lineup. They wanted to get rid of Ibra because Ibra wanted to leave, so swapping with Barca for Eto'o would be the perfect deal. Because Ibra has no risk of his contract running out, he has a higher worth than Eto'o, who will leave for FREE next year. So Barca needed to do something to offload him, quick. Ibra was valued at a certain amount (over 60M), and we paid 40M cash for him, which puts Eto'o's value at 20M. HOWEVER, had this transfer exchange not occurred, NOBODY would have been interested in paying Eto'o's wages, and he would have stayed, and left for FREE next year. Then we would have had to pay 60M for Ibra. So better to get rid of Eto'o now and get a 20M "discount" off Ibra, if you will. I never said that Eto'o isn't getting paid and I don't know where that came from.
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You said no team was willing to pay his wages, obviously you were wrong.

Anyway, how can you possible argue that his value is zero? Inter valued him at 20M according to yourself. He was a valuable bargaining chip according to all you cules. Now how can you possible say his value was zero, are you all fucking retarded? I don't care how many woulda coulda shoulda crap you come up with, fact is Inter took him and valued him as an important part of the deal, therefore his value was not zero to you. Simple.

You people are fucking hilarious. On one side you say Eto'o was the reason you paid 46M and not 70M to Inter, because they valued him at around 20M. At the same time you say you didn't pay 70M but only 46M because the value of Eto'o was zero. And you actually think you are making sense, it's fucking hysterical.


1st. part. Selling Eto'o for 35M (even if that price WERE attainable) would still not be good enough for Barca. Barca need a striking replacement, Guardiola has asked for Ibra, and 35M isn't enough.
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35M you get from selling Eto'o plus part of the 46M you paid now maybe? Jesus.

It's better to use Eto'o as a piece of the deal with Ibra, and get Ibra for cheaper. Who knows if Inter would even have SOLD Ibra if we had gone to them with cash?? Probably not, because they wouldn't be able to bring anyone in to replace him.
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Ofc they would have sold him for 70M, they are not retarded. 70M is a ludicrous amount for Ibra, they would have carried him to Barcelona themselves if necessary.



Esteve said:
Hehe, Meta owned the Madridistas and they're taking it badly :tongue:
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you cannot be serious? Contradicting yourself = owning others. Hilarious. Dunno why I even bothered.
 
Beast

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beef-supreme said:
What??? I am not contradicting myself, I am explaining the simple concept of "conditional value". I didn't say any part of that second bit that you said.
Player transfers aren't that simple. Why would Inter want to buy Eto'o for 20M alone - it would overload their striking lineup. They wanted to get rid of Ibra because Ibra wanted to leave, so swapping with Barca for Eto'o would be the perfect deal. Because Ibra has no risk of his contract running out, he has a higher worth than Eto'o, who will leave for FREE next year. So Barca needed to do something to offload him, quick. Ibra was valued at a certain amount (over 60M), and we paid 40M cash for him, which puts Eto'o's value at 20M. HOWEVER, had this transfer exchange not occurred, NOBODY would have been interested in paying Eto'o's wages, and he would have stayed, and left for FREE next year. Then we would have had to pay 60M for Ibra. So better to get rid of Eto'o now and get a 20M "discount" off Ibra, if you will. I never said that Eto'o isn't getting paid and I don't know where that came from.



1st. part. Selling Eto'o for 35M (even if that price WERE attainable) would still not be good enough for Barca. Barca need a striking replacement, Guardiola has asked for Ibra, and 35M isn't enough. It's better to use Eto'o as a piece of the deal with Ibra, and get Ibra for cheaper. Who knows if Inter would even have SOLD Ibra if we had gone to them with cash?? Probably not, because they wouldn't be able to bring anyone in to replace him. As for what you said about the other EPL teams, refer to my above bit about that amount of cash not being sufficient.
I am NOT saying that what Barca did was a good deal. I said it in my above post that Txiki messed up, as usual.
HOWEVER. I AM saying that without this trade of Eto'o at a valuation of 20M, Ibra wouldn't even be at Barca in the first place. Neither would Villa because Valencia wouldn't sell. Eto'o as a trading chip was NECESSARY and yet not EFFICIENT. But in a way it was. BECAUSE Barca gained 20M, cause Eto'o would have GONE ON A FREE ANYWAY. Barca NEEDED a replacement striker for Eto'o, and here we have one in the form of Ibra.

Do you get me now? It's NOT a good deal, but it's a necessary one, and it saves 20M OR gets us a striker and saves us the risk of not having one for the 08/09 season. It's conditional.
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why not attainable ?

1-35 (citeh price ) + 46 (what you paid for Ibra without even the mention of Hleb ) that's a good old 80 Million u could buy anyone

2- Ibra would attainable be considering Inter asking price was 70 Mil before u started looking for Villa and than back to Ibra..

3- as i said if u offered 20 Million as a price for Eto'o plenty of clubs would come and take him..Lyon paid 26 for Lisandro Lopez ffs , Inter paid 20 for Milito (older than Eto'o ) .. i could go on forever .. u didn't and he was worth something a big thing, u announced Eto'o was worth 20 Million , Mino Raiola (Ibra agent and the broker of the deal ) announced Eto'o was worth 20 Million .. so his zero value for u is a makeover to lower the deal in your eyes


conclusion .. u could have afforded any striker if u did sell Eto'o .. the main problem is that u lot are trying to live in denial in terms of what u paid after what u'r president kept saying u lot feel ashamed of doing the same thing u criticized Real for doing

u guys are really making this funny..
 
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