Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

I cannot believe you have turned on Higuain so quickly haha,

You are wanting Benzema to be given the same time as Kaka, Higuain as been lethal, thats why hes not playing...
so quick to turn on your "galacticos"

It's very ^^^^^ expected reaction from the new breed of cule's , do you know anything about being critical ? fans cannot be hypocritical and support players when they play like shir.
when a player plays well he get a standing ovation when he plays crap he need a kick in the butt
it's doesn't mean people ARE turning against him , it means he was very bad below his level and he needs to hear it ..
We don't have an Ibra camp in Real , players must be asked when they play for themselves and not the team .

Lassana----------Momo
--------Granero--------


That is how it should have been in midfield. I would never trust Guti in an important game. While he makes excellent penetrative passes once in a while, often times he holds the ball far too long in a static positions and kills the play: his decision making is often questionable, he's creative but lacks too much in intelligence.

Guti always was a super sub but i also wouldn't put Granero BG, the fans demanded the on form VDV ahead of them .. i would put VDV in front of Lass-Momo
through Guti as a second half sub cause he can read the game from the bench better than anyone

WTF!? Some body hacked Gio's comp and is pasting all this shit about Higuain... Will the real old Gio Please turn up!? PLease turn up!?

Estel like i said to Silky , we don't operate the same way many of you do with Ibra ..
there is nothing called we won't talk bad cause the player is so good . a relation between a true fan and his club players are interactive
contrary to his nature Higuain was very selfish last night and played below his level , a more concentrated Higuain would have scored in the empty net (a signature move from him ) and would have passed to Cristiano who was free to score when Higuain decided to shoot to the far post moments later .

2-0 up could have made a lot of difference , Kaka & Higuain were really bad and a selfish decision in a competition where team performance matter and hand a win makes Higuain guilty , he was sleeping all second half and he need to think about the team as he used to ahead of himself .
he is still very young and i know he wants to break his CL poor record but you do that after you secure the win not when you are still tied .

a normal Higuain last night and Real could have been up 3-0 by halftime , instead we were individualistic upfront and the pressure got the best of the team allowing Lyon to take charge of the game . Manu selection as i mention early is questionable , even asfan who watch ligue would tell you we need to control the midfield with 2 DM's and Manu had a luxury of options in that position playing Lass & Diarra could have held the midfield in our favor instead he cracked to fans pressure and played a light midfield where we lost Guti as a deep lying playmaker instead of an advanced playmaker and Granero was out of his depth between his defensive duties and his attacking duties

I believe it has a lot more to do with the English style of football, rather than the EPL being stronger. Sure Inter have been on top for 5 years, but how is the slow, patient, non-energy-expending build-up going to overcome a team playing a high paced, high intensity, high pressure game. Unless you're Barcelona.

I agree with you Leroy , as i said to Jatin we are hardly a direct based team , if we were more direct like the English teams we could have done a lot better than the last years .
we are still so slow in the build up we allow teams to defend us .
the only direct ball last night was the pass to Cristiano which resulted the goal

 

[TripLe]

Got down 300 milliones

 

[Spector]

I agree with you Leroy , as i said to Jatin we are hardly a direct based team , if we were more direct like the English teams we could have done a lot better than the last years .

What does that actually mean in practical terms though? Do you really want Real Madrid to start pumping balls forward at every opportunity like Liverpool? If what you mean is that Real should look for the forward pass at every opportunity, even if there's only a 50% chance of completing it, then their overall possession would go down, and the ability to keep possession is the one thing the Spanish have all over the English game. To give that up and copy Liverpool etc would be against the instincts of the players and lead to even poorer results, in my opinion.

 

[Beast]

higuain bottles the CL. but he's young. he'll get over that (you're never too old; zlatan: 1 game 1 gol in the CL KO for barca)

but without him to bail them out (he's SO decisive in la liga) they struggled to finish the game off.

kaka has been an astronomically bigger flop than benzema. benzema is 22 ffs and has had much less game time and confidence from the manager and much less love from the fans and media. this has all made it harder for him to adapt. I mean he really hasn't been treated as well. the shirt number he wanted (10) was given to a freakin' DM ahead of him. I mean what the hell is that?!

tbh if I was manu I'd play a front 3 (of sorts) with higuain, CR and benzema. benzema is much more powerful and able to hold the ball than higgers is, and is more inclined to link play as rooney was for united when CR was in his pomp. this will help CR be decisive in big games against organised opponents. and we already know benzema and higuain have a great partnership. so that would be the ideal front 3 for manu.

as long as he persists on trying to squeeze kaka and CR into the same team you won't have a game where they're both excellent. it's no coincidence kaka has only shone in games where CR has been out of the team. they occupied similar spaces and roles in their previous sides, and can't seem to work out how to play together in real. not consistently and effectively anyway. tbh had they not hit it off as mates (and who saw THAT coming?!) there'd be real problems in the dressing room.

Kaka position is really a dilemma , he played well in this position in some game and he played bad in the same position in many games .
I believe Kaka need to be slammed more than putting him into the right formation
he had 2 good chances to do something last night more importantly the pass from CR when Kaka had a clear view shot from the edge of the area on Lloris goal and he slammed it away from the post

He was also very angry last night when Raul subbed him(reported in the press ) and there is a current problem with Kaka communication director who wrote on his twitter that "only a coward manager would blame a player and not take the responsibility " in reference to Pellegrini which is strange considering Manuel never spoke bad about any of his players he just bench them for good .
As for Benzema i kinda agree with you and that's what i was telling Nandor , especially that when he played in Lyon in the last 15 min he caused more danger so i'm inclined to give the lad a chance , competition is always healthy in the striker department

wow ... shocking from Real. There goes the dream final of FCB v Real. Don't feel too bad, Gio. I'm sure this just means that Real will be spending money like a drunken Saudi prince this summer.

and just as a side note, people need to understand that if we don't win next week, or in the q-final, or in the semi-final, or in the final ... our CL season will be considered a failure as well. so try not to get too carried away in making fun of Real. As happy as this makes me, the sadness from us not winning this season will overwhelm any happiness at Real's failure today.

wait until after we win the final in May

Irv , this is football with it's good or bad moment, i was sad last night (and i'm still sad) but as always if you don't make it that you don't deserve to be there
Lyon were better tactically and on individual level , a team (even with less talent) will always beat a brilliant Individuals and that's the difference between Lyon and Real last night .
I might be inclined to agree with you & give Mourinho a chance as i want someone to kick ass from what i saw last night some players need a wake up call and sadly the only man who is strong enough to do it after Capello is Jose:sad:

Is Pellegrini sacked already!?

No , i believe Valdano will keep him till the end of the season especially that the fans don't believe he is to blame for the defeat

67 % believe Pellegrini shouldn't be sacked and that's in Marca who are trying to sack him for the past 4 month and with all the editorials about blaming him for the defeat
and that gives you and idea of what's going on

 

[Beast]

What does that actually mean in practical terms though? Do you really want Real Madrid to start pumping balls forward at every opportunity like Liverpool? If what you mean is that Real should look for the forward pass at every opportunity, even if there's only a 50% chance of completing it, then their overall possession would go down, and the ability to keep possession is the one thing the Spanish have all over the English game. To give that up and copy Liverpool etc would be against the instincts of the players and lead to even poorer results, in my opinion.

No i'm saying you have to be tactically flexible especially that Europe is different than la liga
those who can carry the ball la liga style (like Kaka )are off form while we have an on form player who can execute a successful direct approach in Europe .
the problem is not in passing the ball but the problem is in how fast can you do it, Real don't have the ability to play a fast 1-2 ala Barca or very fast game like Seville
as i said it's very slow build up which allow the teams to settle well in the defense unlike Barca who do that in a very fast approach which put the other team defense on the back foot most of the time
It has nothing to do with Liverpool , nor will the fans accept that but in Europe you have to outsmart the opponent like when Rijkaard played with 2 DM and one CM in Europe when you won it in 05 , it's different but he outsmart the teams who played you
or the 3-4-3 (can't put Alves as a RB really ) Pep used last year ..

 

[Gnegneri]

If you look on different footy forums the hate for Real is immense. Amazing as usually that hate is generated towards teams that win a lot of things.

So, after being cooled down after the joyous night yesterday, it was a bit of a weird game. Up till the break Real was the better team and deserved to go through imo. Lyon wasn't doing shit in attack and they were afraid it seemed. But then after the break, it felt like Real took it to easy to make the second goal and the changes of Lyon suddenly gave them the midfield and it looked like Real didn't expect that. Moreover, nobody really undertook anything to tilt the balance again. You had the occasional Ronaldo threat but that was it. I wouldn't put it as asking for the knockout but you surely seemed comfortable with it.

 

[AnfieldEd]

Until the manager has the true respect of his players and is not seen as a puppet for perez, then you will go nowhere really.

Not that I don't like Pellegrini - I do a lot. But he came from a team that did not win any trophy, a team with low expectations to real and a team that had no real pressure or expectation from the media.

In certain cases perception is reality, and so when the real players see Pellegrini they see a man they can manipulate and know Perez is the real man to fear.

Basically you need a capello or a mourinho or a someone of that ilk who commands respect and takes no shit from players and is not afraid to upset them or not afraid to chose team selection that he wants.

It is no coincedence that since real's last european trophy in 2002 that their last good run of success started in 2006, where Capello came in and changed things. Barca were dominant but capello was patient, played his cards right tactically and was never ever afraid of the players and put fear into them. True he left afterwards, but I still consider your 07/08 title success in the main capello's triumph as he set down the rules to follow. So another coincedence that the longer the time period of his last day in office the worse madrid got. To which they are still recovering really.

I still think Gio that you can strengthen your central defence even more - and you don't even need to buy anyone! Ramos for me can become a world class central defender, he has the lot in his locker, and he would be my mainstay in central defence. I'd then move the ever reliable Arbeloa at right back and then you need to strengthen left back. Ashley Cole may want to leave England and he'd be my top target, if he were to show interest in leaving england. Then Lahm as another possibility.

You also need another DM - if they madrid management don't consider Mo Diarra up for it anymore considering his injuries. Alonso and Lass Diarra would be my main central midfielders. Then Ronaldo, Higuain and whoever in the attack.

But for sure you have to have a strong willed manager at the helm, or otherwise everything is built on sand.

 

[Thierry]

Oh Gosh, whatever happened to all that money.?...
oh well, I told them....if ever they crashed out, they have only themselves to blame.
Good Riddens, see you next year.:thumbsup2:

 

[Beast]

U always hate the most successful / rich /glamorous in every field , comes with the territory and i don't think Real Madrid club or fans are bothered by it
even when we lose like last year the feelings are the same due to old success history ..etc
plus for new fans it makes you different , a stand out between the crowd anyhow .

yes you are right but still the midfield (the attacking part , Lass followed by Guti did their thing ) last night take lots of blame for their carelessness , it felt like Lyon will get something from the first half due to the easy feeling they played with as if the win is guaranteed and there was no need for effort.

I believe Kaka will see much more of the bench after last night scenes which is very good , AS editors are questioning his character during the sub change and his overall contribution to the extent that head huncho Tomas Roncero wrote

Kaka :Sorry, but my patience with him is over. A player that has cost 68 million euros can not behave like a fellow trainee. Reiterates its anger & individual and refuse to be taken out, there is no way that this brings anything to the cause. He had a chance with Lloris And failed. he need to change ...

 

[AnfieldEd]

So you now admit Sergio and I was right about Kaka Gio

(said in jest)

 

[Beast]

So you now admit Sergio and I was right about Kaka Gio

(said in jest)

Finished ? no

need to be kicked like a bitch ? yep

 

[Gnegneri]

and just as a side note, people need to understand that if we don't win next week, or in the q-final, or in the semi-final, or in the final ... our CL season will be considered a failure as well.

I don't agree by the way. Well, it wouldn't be a success of course but we won it last year. + not nearly as bad as what was going in Madrid during the summer regarding this campaign.

 

[Aryagorn]

No , i believe Valdano will keep him till the end of the season especially that the fans don't believe he is to blame for the defeat

67 % believe Pellegrini shouldn't be sacked and that's in Marca who are trying to sack him for the past 4 month and with all the editorials about blaming him for the defeat
and that gives you and idea of what's going on

man I so wanted him to be sacked!! Now you guys are gonna be such a huge pain in the ass in the league unless there are groups formed against Manu of course but can't think of that happening as well, Pellegrini seems to have a lot of backing from all the home grown's!!

 

[Thierry]

wow ... shocking from Real. There goes the dream final of FCB v Real. Don't feel too bad, Gio. I'm sure this just means that Real will be spending money like a drunken Saudi prince this summer.

and just as a side note, people need to understand that if we don't win next week, or in the q-final, or in the semi-final, or in the final ... our CL season will be considered a failure as well. so try not to get too carried away in making fun of Real. As happy as this makes me, the sadness from us not winning this season will overwhelm any happiness at Real's failure today.

wait until after we win the final in May

I think the only "Failure" that will be labelled against us "if" we don win will be that: we could've moulded history and winning it consecutively. (as by popular demand)

..but then again, that is not our priority, unlike RMA with a clear path of Glamour and $$$'s was for all to see the world over and CL was their prized cake. Surely now, that will not happen this season.

We might be labelled as "dissapointing" should we loose simply because many all over have vested confidence in our way-of-play, thus we are a "joy to watch" and so we become "eye-candy" to many everywhere.

Eventually, I think Failure can only be set as a label if one "fails" to achive one's objective in a set timeframe.

We have not set CL with any of the above at all.

 

[Beast]

man I so wanted him to be sacked!! Now you guys are gonna be such a huge pain in the ass in the league unless there are groups formed against Manu of course but can't think of that happening as well, Pellegrini seems to have a lot of backing from all the home grown's!!

Valdano is a cool head and don't operate this way..

i don't know what will go on in the club but you can bet there will be a tough meeting and Valdano will have to answer Perez about the failure to achieve the target

I think the only "Failure" that will be labelled against us "if" we don win will be that: we could've moulded history and winning it consecutively. (as by popular demand)

..but then again, that is not our priority, unlike RMA with a clear path of Glamour and $$$'s was for all to see the world over and CL was their prized cake. Surely now, that will not happen this season.

We might be labelled as "dissapointing" should we loose simply because many all over have vested confidence in our way-of-play, thus we are a "joy to watch" and so we become "eye-candy" to many everywhere.

Eventually, I think Failure can only be set as a label if one "fails" to achive one's objective in a set timeframe.

We have not set CL with any of the above at all.

Well you paid 120 Million last summer , bet on Ibra so if you failed it will be more or less the same