Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

My father was saying that for Real to have success they need to appoint a legend of the club as manager, like Barca did. What do you think Gio?

Your father is right but there is no Pep figure like available for Real
it worked well for Munoz,Jorge Valdano and Di Stefano before , the only one i can see capable of doing the same affect is Hierro but Hierro likes the upper management role and he is the Football director for the Spanish national team .
people underestimate the effect of Valdano as a manager but this guy returned the liga trophy for Real from the hands of the dream team and his influence went as far as Raul naming his son after him
Michel was always bad and eccentric , Hugo failed and the only one who in time could be good (could not will be ) is one of Raul once he retire
the amount of managers and experience he gained over the years allow him to be one plus he is a control freak but until than they need an outside influence similar to what Capello did in the 2 times he was @ Real

 

[el tren]

Im not that much into RM, but it could indeed be a mental problem, so that a better mental and motivational management could help them overcome us finally. Like i said somewhere else already, if Mourinho would really join RM last season, it could get really, really tough for us ...

 

[Beast]

Im not that much into RM, but it could indeed be a mental problem, so that a better mental and motivational management could help them overcome us finally. Like i said somewhere else already, if Mourinho would really join RM last season, it could get really, really tough for us ...

I believe so Tren , the crashing out vs Lyon has given me this (home vs an inferior opponent -no disrespect to Lyon but u have to tell it like it is ) but i wasn't hasty to draw conclusions , last night the way they played and the chances they missed led me to believe there is much more than just tactics .
Add to that Raul is no Hierro he don't have the strong leadership qualities , isn't a surprise who we failed in Europe since the big man left ? even playing off form teams over the years ? we actually give off form teams the believe they can go further .

if you don't have strong leadership ( and it does make lots of difference see Maldini ,Puyol,Hierro ) you need to compensate that from the bench (like what Capello did )

 

[Gnegneri]

Fort Bernabeu.

It had what, 3 top football games this year (Lyon, Milan, Barcelona?) and lost them all.

Maybe Sevila but they were in a bad period so I think that is a bit of a misleading game.

 

[Warik]

I put it down to Pique as much as Ronaldo being afraid of Messi tbh. Everytime they have played Pique has dominated ROnaldo, so much so Ronaldo even admitted back when the two were at United that Pique had his number...Every time he sees Pique infront of him now he just gives up tbh.

 

[Lemmi]

You didn't manage to score against us this year

 

[Beast]

Was reading Revista and this is what Balague said on the 31st of March
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Eleven victories in a row - only three managers in the history of la Liga have done that - Frank Rijkaard, Miguel Munoz and now Pellegrini," Guillem Balague told Revista de la Liga.

"Generally you would say that Real Madrid should be happy. But you can still pick faults in the side.

"It was Jorge Valdano that was first to say that the team feel anxious when they play at the Santiago Bernabeu. They need to come to the races as soon as the game starts and they don't do that.

"I think that's partly because the team reflects what the manager is like and Pellegrini is not a manager to motivate you or to force you to come out onto the pitch biting necks.

"In the big games, like against Barcelona, they'll need to start much stronger."
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11 days later u got to say that was spot on

 

[AnfieldEd]

I know this is getting ahead ... way ahead ... because three points is nothing, momentum aside ... but ... I feel that we have to sign Villa this off-season. We do that, and we're complete. totally. explicitly. complete. Madrid cannot sign him. If they offer Valencia 50m Euros, we must offer 60m Euros. he is the only player I fear Madrid getting. and he will turn the tide for Madrid. otherwise ... RMadrid can keep their 'galactico' policy.

250m Euros couldn't do shieeeeeeeeet for Madrid ... two La Masia products scored for FCB. I love it.

Well I could say that you need a Left back, a DM as pep clearly does not want Yaya and you and every barca fan is crazy if you think Villa at LW is going to work for you. Villa is a centre forward, I fail to see how he will be effective for you in that position.

I could also say you need to beef up the squad with a few added players.

But the old problems barca have faced in the past if the failure to remain disciplined. Pep is one of the few managers who can instill that at will in the team, and I believe this factor is the most important for your squad remaining at this level. As we have seen in the past that lack of discipline costs you a lot. So you have to hope this won't be a problem again.

I also believe that no team can ever be "complete" as in life a football team is an evolution process and players in that team will either be entering their peak, or having just past it.

So I don't believe in that theory of barca being complete. I believe them having the best team in the world by some distance, but a complete team wins every game they play. IMO

 

[Ryan_Cule]

Don't be blind by the success Ryan and not analyze the situation , Pep has tempered with the system , he dropped the 4-3-3 , he resolved to Direct style of play on many occasions .
you had the old system until last season , Pep now is adding and changing to the old Barca style . it's a plus 

but above all you have to understand what i wrote before answering Luck was that Pep was born in Catalaonia and played for Barca not you won because you were lucky ..

and please humbleness and Catalans is like oil and water , just because Pep is a humble gentleman doesn't mean the majority of the nation are far from humble

I agree with your style & formation thing , yes that`s a plus and thanks to Pep . And I never disagreed with it because it`s a fact .

But to say ,We are lucky because Pep was born in Catalunya & played for BARCA is a hilarious comment you are drawing out.So , Argentina was lucky to have got Maradona ? BRAZIL was because of Pele ? Manchester United because of Sir Alex ? FC BARCELONA because of BARCELONA B , Juvenile, LA Masia products ? South Asia because of Mother Teresa ? Cuba because of Che & Castro ? And We are because of Bojan ? ( I think he is the founder of the Forum ?? )

Sorry mate , this can be the approach of your life , but to take your point as granted would mean we are based on Luck only which isn`t . To turn around and look at what you say , Pep joined the La Masia only & he was being well-nourished & brought up there , so Pep seems to be `Lucky` in this case ? LOL !

And I agree with you , I didn`t mean to say the supporters are humbled enough , would be too naive to expect this from any football supporter around the world . Faith & Humbleness was directed towards Pep , Yes you are right . He is a humbled person & earned much respect because of that .

 

[Gnegneri]

Was reading Revista and this is what Balague said on the 31st of March
----------------
Eleven victories in a row - only three managers in the history of la Liga have done that - Frank Rijkaard, Miguel Munoz and now Pellegrini," Guillem Balague told Revista de la Liga.

"Generally you would say that Real Madrid should be happy. But you can still pick faults in the side.

"It was Jorge Valdano that was first to say that the team feel anxious when they play at the Santiago Bernabeu. They need to come to the races as soon as the game starts and they don't do that.

"I think that's partly because the team reflects what the manager is like and Pellegrini is not a manager to motivate you or to force you to come out onto the pitch biting necks.

"In the big games, like against Barcelona, they'll need to start much stronger."
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11 days later u got to say that was spot on

I don't think that's wholly true, only for the second half imo. (just like Lyon)

Real was certainly the equal of Barcelona in the first half and the way Real was tackling and duelling seemed that they were there to bite necks.

But than the break and they come out relaxing.

 

[FCB_Titi_LB]

I don't think that's wholly true, only for the second half imo. (just like Lyon)

Real was certainly the equal of Barcelona in the first half and the way Real was tackling and duelling seemed that they were there to bite necks.

But than the break and they come out relaxing.

I saw Ramos kick on Messi. W T H

 

[FCB_Titi_LB]

Honestly, i was not surprised by the excessive tackling Madrid resorted to. i guess its the only way they know how to stop us....especially Messi. if another referee was in charge, ramos could have been sent off for hacking down messi in the 2nd half.

should be suspended postuum
what scum
risking joy for millions of people by injuring Messi because of a lack of talent. Madrid should be ashamed. They resorted to everything now....millions...extreme dirty play...such an ugly team. CRonaldo is the make-up for it.
Start playing football.

CR not turning up...in which match against Barca did he outshine Messi ever really? Even when Manu won,Messi was creating havoc and making fool of every manu defender.

 

[Beast]

Don't be blind by the success Ryan and not analyze the situation , Pep has tempered with the system , he dropped the 4-3-3 , he resolved to Direct style of play on many occasions .
you had the old system until last season , Pep now is adding and changing to the old Barca style . it's a plus 

but above all you have to understand what i wrote before answering Luck was that Pep was born in Catalaonia and played for Barca not you won because you were lucky ..

and please humbleness and Catalans is like oil and water , just because Pep is a humble gentleman doesn't mean the majority of the nation are far from humble

I agree with your style & formation thing , yes that`s a plus and thanks to Pep . And I never disagreed with it because it`s a fact .

But to say ,We are lucky because Pep was born in Catalunya & played for BARCA is a hilarious comment you are drawing out.So , Argentina was lucky to have got Maradona ? BRAZIL was because of Pele ? Manchester United because of Sir Alex ? FC BARCELONA because of BARCELONA B , Juvenile, LA Masia products ? South Asia because of Mother Teresa ? Cuba because of Che & Castro ? And We are because of Bojan ? ( I think he is the founder of the Forum ?? )

Sorry mate , this can be the approach of your life , but to take your point as granted would mean we are based on Luck only which isn`t . To turn around and look at what you say , Pep joined the La Masia only & he was being well-nourished & brought up there , so Pep seems to be `Lucky` in this case ? LOL !

And I agree with you , I didn`t mean to say the supporters are humbled enough , would be too naive to expect this from any football supporter around the world . Faith & Humbleness was directed towards Pep , Yes you are right . He is a humbled person & earned much respect because of that .

Actually yes Argentina were lucky to have Maradona, Brazil to have Pele and Barcelona to have Pep
those players could have been born for other countries /club and history could have changed for each team .

Butterfly effect in full swing and has nothing to do with being lucky as a club you can't be lucky enough to sustain long periods of success but luck does play a part especially for those born and raised in a certain country no doubt

I don't think that's wholly true, only for the second half imo. (just like Lyon)

Real was certainly the equal of Barcelona in the first half and the way Real was tackling and duelling seemed that they were there to bite necks.

But than the break and they come out relaxing.

Kevin i believe the first half was really really bad , they came out not looking for a win but looking to stop Messi and hopefully create a counter attack and catch Barca off guard, you can't have that approach @ home for a club like Real Madrid .
it wasn't even tactics it was just pressure of the situation , it's like they never played Barca before .

even the first half Barca were restrained , it's one of the worst classico's i've seen in recent years probably on the same level as the classico in camp nou last year

 

[Gold Member]

Salgado played well for Blackburn Rovers today. Did Real fans like him?

 

[Beast]

Of course , he was a club legend