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diegomessi

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TBH when you sub on Raul and guti two washed up superstars in the biggest match of the season it makes you look somewhat foolish (manu that is) a team with as much money as real surely should have some better options? ya know what i mean? idk maybe that is not manu's fault i dont know who all was on the bench.. but i gotta say when u introduce those two players we are not exactly shaking in our boots..prolly the opposite actually.. feeling a little mroe relaxed
 

gvt2000

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Manuel demonstrated he is too passive in crucial games , i'm all for giving him the sack .

if you can't beat Alco in the copa, Lyon in the CL u are the wrong man for the job and that's it

Stability is with a manager who can add to the team , so far he didn't add anything

I've been saying this for months. Pelegrini is not the type of manager who can deliver instant results. It took him 2 seasons for Villarreal to shine under his command, an unacceptable time-frame when the money spent on transfer demanded instant results.

Pelegrini's shown that he can beat the average teams, but on big nights, when important wins were needed, he lacked the tactical genius to pull it through. Not only did he, for the most part, fail to take advantage of the weaknesses presented by the rival in turn, but he also failed when it came to subbing in a "revolutionary" player, more-so in the barcelona game, where subbing in Guti was a decent move that was completely undone when he subbed in Raul instead of Benzema.

In his defense, Madrid did not sign what the team needed most. Cristiano and Kaka were only "improved" versions of Robben and Sneijder, Xabi Alonso is not a playmaker (think on-form Guti, Xavi, Iniesta,etc) and Benzema is not as big of a finisher as Ruud once was. The end-result was a team who has a lot of individuality and lacks the midfield leadership and creativity that wins the tough matches.

There are still a lot of matches to be played, the league is far from over, but Madrid needs a lot of fast reflecting to do for the season not to be a complete fiasco.
 

Thierry

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Pep kept the hands waving, mouthing loudly to the pitch. His eyes pop out like a porcupine on Christmas. He was bulging with a "thinking hard-on".

Manuel on the other hand, seems lost in all the action, making short trips to the edge of technical lines before he adjusts his pants and turns back to his seat looking clueless.

I think the man suffers from "mental-constipation" on big nights.

How hard can he push..?

He was "useless" playing his men at home. RMA has little to prove now. El-Classico was just one game, but it was the big lights and rivalry that mattered for a win that failed to succumb itself from the Galacticos. That was his shred of evidence(the little that was left) to prove all watching, that he is still bankable against FCB. I would sentiment with a 1 all draw to say the least, but a 2 nil thrashing proves RMA were not in the running to show their worth on the night at all. Embarrasing results.

This club spent money like Victoria Falls this season. There is simply no justification to regulate issues as they stand. Its bitter lemons once again, and no vodka.

The current humiliation is yet to be enhanced should FCB win the CL there, & I would not miss it for the world either.:)
 

Beast

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TBH when you sub on Raul and guti two washed up superstars in the biggest match of the season it makes you look somewhat foolish (manu that is) a team with as much money as real surely should have some better options? ya know what i mean? idk maybe that is not manu's fault i dont know who all was on the bench.. but i gotta say when u introduce those two players we are not exactly shaking in our boots..prolly the opposite actually.. feeling a little mroe relaxed

Oh someone been reading Eduardo Alvarez article ;)

I've been saying this for months. Pelegrini is not the type of manager who can deliver instant results. It took him 2 seasons for Villarreal to shine under his command, an unacceptable time-frame when the money spent on transfer demanded instant results.

Pelegrini's shown that he can beat the average teams, but on big nights, when important wins were needed, he lacked the tactical genius to pull it through. Not only did he, for the most part, fail to take advantage of the weaknesses presented by the rival in turn, but he also failed when it came to subbing in a "revolutionary" player, more-so in the barcelona game, where subbing in Guti was a decent move that was completely undone when he subbed in Raul instead of Benzema.

In his defense, Madrid did not sign what the team needed most. Cristiano and Kaka were only "improved" versions of Robben and Sneijder, Xabi Alonso is not a playmaker (think on-form Guti, Xavi, Iniesta,etc) and Benzema is not as big of a finisher as Ruud once was. The end-result was a team who has a lot of individuality and lacks the midfield leadership and creativity that wins the tough matches.

There are still a lot of matches to be played, the league is far from over, but Madrid needs a lot of fast reflecting to do for the season not to be a complete fiasco
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Agreed on most accounts although my man Irv take credit for being the first to call Manu out here a long time ago and advocated a Mourinho/Capello one .

I disagree with the bold part , Cristiano and Kaka are not an improved version of Robben & Sneijder they are way better players with a much more impressive career .

Xabi was not brought to be a playmaker the Guti-Iniesta-Xavi are the Sneijder- Kaka so on paper and in principle Real did buy the required playmaker ala Xavi-Iniesta-Guti the problem lies in using Kaka/guiding kaka/slamming kaka

Ruud career was as good as finished , his injuries wouldn't allow him to be as reliable as he once was considering he spent the last 1.5 years in the treatment room and he is not young anymore , i may disagree with the choice of replacement but i don't disagree with the direction of a more speedy younger forward in any case Higuain was the main goal scorer last year and this year
Beast, if you thrash your opponents next week 10-0, do you think the press will still write negative stuff?
Negativity will remain hanging around Pellegrini , there is no turning back

U cannot lose games that matter and expect to stay , Manu (sadly i like him ) is not the man to lead this group , they need a much more powerful figure to guide them on the pitch .
punishing crap players is good but not good enough you need in game guidance which he failed to do several times
Is Pellegrini gone in summer ?


u can bet your left nut on this , Rafa is leading the polls though (Backed by Perez ) but Mourinho is catching up fast (backed by Valdano ) less than 2 % separate them
agreed...however - sticking with your example – one crap muscian playing wrong can ruin the whole harmony of the music. therefore it requires/implies a certain standard of quality from each musician. a standard of quality that is up to the standard the maestro wants them to sound. otherwise, if you have crap musicians, all the maestro can do is make them sound as less crap as possible. but that doesn't necessarly mean the end product is worth listening.

another example...put michael schumacher in a fiat cinquecento. he'll certainly drive that thing better than most other drivers and get the best possible results out of that car. but he won't be able to perform with it or drive as quick as he could with a ferrari. so, if you want him to deliver "ferrari-like" results, give him a ferrari instead of a fiat cinquecento.

i'm not saying pellegrini is not at all at fault!!! but these examples show that in order to work, there must be a certain balance in quality between the quality of the coach - maestro/driver - and the players - musicians/car. that balance is what's missing and what should be worked on IMO.

The conductor job is to correct the crap musician in rehearsals , if he allow the crap musician to keep playing the same way in the concert it's the conductor mistake not the musician
One of Real's problems is that (with the exception of an in-form Kaka) they don't have a world class midfielder. Alonso is good but no at the top level, Gago is crap, L Diarra is a destructive player and van der Vaart is OK but Sneijder and Robben are lots better.

It's how u use the players Viva , the best times was the 4-2-3-1 when Marcel-Kaka-CR were behind Higuain that's the most balanced formation and most effective to the players he got .
he kept tinkering , started with 4-3-3 in pre-season switched to 4-2-2-2 than switched to 4-2-3-1 in the first classico and beyond it than switched to 4-3-3 till the classico .. he don't have the players for 4-3-3

in the 4-2-3-1 he has the best use of his team cause even Higuain can drop to the right winger position and play Benzema upfront (he did that couple of times ) ..
 

Moe

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Ive just read in some article that the fans whistled Ronaldo towards the end of the match. I didn't notice it at all, does anyone know if it's true?
 

yusuf

Yusuf Islam
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an interesting read and goes the exact opposite of what real always do :lol: but it seems sensible to form a team that will follow pellagrini's style but i do agree with you beast that you need a strong coach who can manage and demand the players properly. but the article is correct in saying you should allow the team to grow instead of firing a coach every single failure
 

Beast

The Observer
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an interesting read and goes the exact opposite of what real always do :lol: but it seems sensible to form a team that will follow pellagrini's style but i do agree with you beast that you need a strong coach who can manage and demand the players properly. but the article is correct in saying you should allow the team to grow instead of firing a coach every single failure

If you want stability you need to find a coach who add to the team first than give him time.

I was all for giving Manu his two years , i didn't mind losing the copa or the first classico , CL hurt a big time but still we said maybe it's the players but even now with the classico the output of Manu on the team is close to zero .

Now if you ask me what is our style with Pellegrini i can't answer you , cause it's not like he stuck with his formation and kept it . he changed his methods 3 times already in almost 8/9 month .
his original idea of 4-2-2-2 failed , he didn't keep the successful 4-2-3-1 after beating Depor with 4-3-3
he did gave Granero plenty of chances to play i'll give him that but what about the rest ? in so many games we were winning comfortably and he didn't give some of the youth on the bench some time .

He is a good manager but i was wrong to assume he could be a great manager with the right resources , we need a leader from the bench and Manuel was unable to lead several times .
u can always excuse losing to Barcelona due to the form /continuity / mentality .. but when u add Milano,Alco,Lyon .. nah
 
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FCB_Titi_LB

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confidence?
A lack of talent.
CR,Higgie (against weak opposition)
...
thats it
no way ur team can beat us in terms of talent,spirit and big match experience.
 
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