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FCB_Titi_LB

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Titi with his useful*rubbish* posts , you had your best input when you were banned
Who gives a shit about Madrid dude. Do we have to pity the Madridistas now?
People seem to like you (allthough virtually) because of your "input" but its hard to understand why you keep supporting that scum club.

They lack talent. They were ,again, acting like scum. They werent playing football. They keep shouting they gonna win it all,yet they dont even win a big match.
Big mouth and playing extremely dirty.

It's not that i cant appreciate other teams but cheering for Madrid is a disgrace.
What kind of person must you be really. There is not one single aspect about Madrid to love the club. Perhaps if someone is a shallow money loving, CR hailing fan boy.
We know you are not. So what is it really that makes u want to cheer for that club.
After the classico u were pointing towards the lack of football by your "team" but still u dont seem to react on their dirty play. It's outrageous.
That's the spirit Zidane,Di St. etc wanted to see from "the great Madrid"? I doubt it. Even if u lack the talent, play decent.

The most irritating thing is, cules feel pity for you. They like you while forgetting the display of Madrid against our beloved players. The attack on Pedro, the attack on messi to name a few. Your team had their least disgracefull input when Pepe was "banned"...oh wait.
 
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Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
if I were a betting man, I would put serious monet on felipao being real's new boss.

crucially because he knows kaka and he knows CR, they both know him and will listen to him. I never got the impression that either CR or kaka gave a shit about what pellegrini had to say about anything. both of them just seemed to do whatever they want on the pitch. and as much as beast is right that the conductor has to conduct his orchestra, if his first violin and first cello don't pay attention to him then that shit ain't gonna sound right.

yes he failed with chelsea (a chelsea without essien and with a barely fit drogba) but he's the only manager in history to have won the world cup AND the continental club competition as a manager.

real's problem is twofold, well, maybe threefold:

1. you signed kaka. kaka was a phenomenal player but he didn't want to leave milan. he's not looked the same at madrid and tbh you can't have both kaka and CR on the same team as generally they will take up the same spaces on the pitch in attacks (out of habit, having done that for their previous clubs).

if you leave kaka then you can keep robben and sneijder, and you're looking much better and balanced already.

2. higuain has been in great form. doesn't sound like a problem, but it is. he can't hold the ball and is a horrible foil for ronaldo because he's mostly interested in scoring himself. but he also has a problem with big games (it seems so, anyway). but he's POUNDED most of the league, which has meant he has to play, which means benzema on the bench. and for all his foibles, benzema would be such a perfect foil for ronaldo (and perhaps even kaka) which is the key to the greasy one dominating big games.

3. xabi's not recaptured his liverpool form. I mean when you need guti on the pitch in order to have rhythm and move the ball well, you're always in a bad way because guti is such a capricious chap you never know if he's gonna bother to show up in the next game. and often he doesn't. and you then struggle.
 

Beast

The Observer
Who gives a shit about Madrid dude. Do we have to pity the Madridistas now?
People seem to like you (allthough virtually) because of your "input" but its hard to understand why you keep supporting that scum club.

They lack talent. They were ,again, acting like scum. They werent playing football. They keep shouting they gonna win it all,yet they dont even win a big match.
Big mouth and playing extremely dirty.

It's not that i cant appreciate other teams but cheering for Madrid is a disgrace.
What kind of person must you be really. There is not one single aspect about Madrid to love the club. Perhaps if someone is a shallow money loving, CR hailing fan boy.
We know you are not. So what is it really that makes u want to cheer for that club.
After the classico u were pointing towards the lack of football by your "team" but still u dont seem to react on their dirty play. It's outrageous.
That's the spirit Zidane,Di St. etc wanted to see from "the great Madrid"? I doubt it. Even if u lack the talent, play decent.

The most irritating thing is, cules feel pity for you. They like you while forgetting the display of Madrid against our beloved players. The attack on Pedro, the attack on messi to name a few. Your team had their least disgracefull input when Pepe was "banned"...oh wait.

You , you , you there is too many me in your post
last thing people would look for is Pity , sadly your age doesn't allow you the basic understanding of conversation and pity .
what people here are talking about is a football conversation , something you are not quite good at .

It's also quite worrying what you wrote , do you mean the moment Barca don't play well you will drop them ? you seem too young to remember your own history and football , you also don't have the basic understanding of what a fan means .

a fan don't go around cheering whoever play well or whoever is winning , a fan has attachment to the club through various means political , emotional , first game he watched , started watching in a good era ..etc
I'm a third generation Madridista i started getting more interested about my club when i was 9 years old that's 1984 before you were born .

As for the game, lack talent ? Real Madrid lack talent :lol: ?
u must have no clue what you are talking about as usual .
the tackling is part of the game i know that , the world knows that , Pep and your players know that and no one moan except some people on the forum and you . it's normal for players like Zidane , Messi,Maradona,Cruyff..etc to get roughed by defenders it's not like Zidane or Ronaldo wasn't roughed by Barcelona several times before but as it seems you have just started to follow Barca in recent years you have no recollection of your history so i don't blame your lack of knowledge about your history but i do suggest you start working on that area

and get some grip you seem to be more emotional about your players than usual using the word "attack " ..etc show some maturity Titi :)
 

Beast

The Observer
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these two men that Valdano hates the most.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/may/08/newsstory.sport8

So you are happy, with Valdano being a hypocrite?
Yep and no , it's all speculation atm
the 5 names are Rafa,Jose,Fabio,Felipao and Carlo
outside but strong bet as well is one of Blanc or Michael Laudrup .

I see Jose as our best bet though due to the state of the mental weakness
if I were a betting man, I would put serious monet on felipao being real's new boss.

crucially because he knows kaka and he knows CR, they both know him and will listen to him. I never got the impression that either CR or kaka gave a shit about what pellegrini had to say about anything. both of them just seemed to do whatever they want on the pitch. and as much as beast is right that the conductor has to conduct his orchestra, if his first violin and first cello don't pay attention to him then that shit ain't gonna sound right.

yes he failed with chelsea (a chelsea without essien and with a barely fit drogba) but he's the only manager in history to have won the world cup AND the continental club competition as a manager.

real's problem is twofold, well, maybe threefold:

1. you signed kaka. kaka was a phenomenal player but he didn't want to leave milan. he's not looked the same at madrid and tbh you can't have both kaka and CR on the same team as generally they will take up the same spaces on the pitch in attacks (out of habit, having done that for their previous clubs).

if you leave kaka then you can keep robben and sneijder, and you're looking much better and balanced already.

2. higuain has been in great form. doesn't sound like a problem, but it is. he can't hold the ball and is a horrible foil for ronaldo because he's mostly interested in scoring himself. but he also has a problem with big games (it seems so, anyway). but he's POUNDED most of the league, which has meant he has to play, which means benzema on the bench. and for all his foibles, benzema would be such a perfect foil for ronaldo (and perhaps even kaka) which is the key to the greasy one dominating big games.

3. xabi's not recaptured his liverpool form. I mean when you need guti on the pitch in order to have rhythm and move the ball well, you're always in a bad way because guti is such a capricious chap you never know if he's gonna bother to show up in the next game. and often he doesn't. and you then struggle.

good points although i believe in several occasions (first classico is one of them ) both kaka & CR completed each other and played well .

there is a lot to do about guidance and a strong man to enforce his will on CR and Kaka
i see both fitting well the 4-2-3-1 with Kaka in the center and CR on either side of the wings but they do need a strong man to keep the tactic shape intact and that's something Pellegrini failed to do
he is so much like Del Bosque with his laid back and letting the players do their best and improvise hurting the squad in the process plus the difference is Del Bosque had players who played for 7-8 years before with few additions Manu has 5-6 new ones and u can't let them do what they want as each of them come from a different tactical school and manager
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
del bosque won 2 european cups pre-galacticos, and the core of that side was already settled in. the galacticos were very much the cherries on top (needless, really, you were probably better before with redondo, raul, morientes, etc. - tho I guess the 02/03 side was very impressive) which made it much easier for him to say "go do yo' thang"

plus they were players that complimented each other. zidane was a trequartista, figo was a winger, ronaldo was a striker, beckham was a whateverthehellyouaskedhimtobe. then you had raul who was a forward, and bobby charles who was a left-back. no one got in each others way and they were players of such ability that it worked.

this current galacticos has too many players that step on each others toes.

beast, the first clasico is basically the only occasion that kaka and CR both played well, and really, CR didn't play that well. kaka was majestic, though.

the 4231 would work if you had wayne rooney. and then someone like, I dunno, solari of old. who's a modern solari? not park, he's got the workrate but not the skill. valencia? pablo? one of those two. basically you need a solid winger that will work his nuts off but also be able to produce attacks, and then you need raul of 2002, which is to say, rooney of 2010 (according to don fabio anyway, and I ain't disagreeing with him!)

then you could make the 4231 work. benzema could maybe do the job up-front in rooney's stead, but he's nowhere near as good and is something of a maladjusted chap. I don't think he gets on well with the big boys (conversely, rooney is mates with ronaldo which would by extension make him mates with kaka).
 
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beautifulgame

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For me, the major conflicting signings were Kaka and Ronaldo. Gio, you were dead certain Kaka would be the replacement to Zizou, but he most definitely doesn't orchestrate the attacking play. You would have been much better off saving the money on Kaka, and keeping Wesley, and giving him time to catch form after the series of injuries he went through.

OR. You could have bought Mr. Gourcuff, and gave him the right to be the Master of Ceremonies with Ronaldo and Higuain playing up in front of him somewhere.

I understand the need to buy Ronaldo, considering the clause your former president left you with, however no need for Kaka, and Benzie.

Something like....


If you can sell off Kaka to city, send Benzie somewhere he can be hugged daily and buy Gourcuff+Hazard, then my friend your in business.

OUT:
Benzie
Raul
Guti
Kaka

IN:
Hazard
Gourcuff
Negredo

-----------------------Higuain------------------------------
--------Ronaldo--------------------Granero/Hazard----------
-------------------Gourcuff---------------------------------
-------------Xabi-----------------Diarra---------------------

And.

---------Hazard------------Higuain-------------Ronaldo------
-------------------------Gourcuff----------------------------
---------------Xabi--------------------Diarra-----------------

BUSINESS.
 
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yusuf

Yusuf Islam
kaka was a generly useless signing, he is way past it and you would only need him if you did not sign ronaldo, he is a pure galactico signing
 
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beautifulgame

Guest
------------------------------------Higuain---------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------Ronaldo-------------------------------------
-----------Hazard/Granero--------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------Gourcuff--------------------------------------------
--------------------Xabi-------------------------------Diarra---------------------------

You could switch Hazard/Granero around to either side.
 

veryfatchocobo

New member
I actually thought that losing the Dutch influence was a wonderful idea in the Madridista standpoint.... You had to lose Robben because of CR9 and Marcelo. Sneijder (and Drenthe) had to go because of Granero + Kaka + CR9. It's pretty obvious Granero will be a main man in a couple years since the board has full confidence in his abilities, and this is taking things to the right direction. CR9, despite being the most expensive player in the world, was also a superb signing not looking at the money....

However, there were some terrible signings. Benzema was obviously one of the worst signings of the decade and less to an extent Kaka. RM just need to find a core, and they'll find it with Granero, Higuain (plus maybe Negredo or some other Castilla striker), and Albiol + Sergio Ramos eventually IMO. Only problem is will Perez and the fans accept the word eventually..... They have more people for the future than they did since the last Perez and Calderon eras. Hopefully they don't buy more stars that will step on each other teammate's shoes. Like Nandor said, one bad musician can kill the harmony of the orchestra.

Since Valdano is supposedly calling the shots, perhaps we'll see some positive progress in the sense that Castilla players get promoted. No one thought that Pedro and Busquets would make it to the senior team. However, Pep gave them their chance, and look at them now. I'm confident that we'll see the Castilla players playing like them as long as the Galacticos don't control the dressing room. But also, you want to balance out the Cantera:Foreigner ratio so another Gaspart won't happen... According to what Beast said though, that's a challenging feat since the Castilla and the senior team have a different philosophy.
 
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FCB_Titi_LB

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You , you , you there is too many me in your post
last thing people would look for is Pity , sadly your age doesn't allow you the basic understanding of conversation and pity .
what people here are talking about is a football conversation , something you are not quite good at .

It's also quite worrying what you wrote , do you mean the moment Barca don't play well you will drop them ? you seem too young to remember your own history and football , you also don't have the basic understanding of what a fan means .

a fan don't go around cheering whoever play well or whoever is winning , a fan has attachment to the club through various means political , emotional , first game he watched , started watching in a good era ..etc
I'm a third generation Madridista i started getting more interested about my club when i was 9 years old that's 1984 before you were born .

As for the game, lack talent ? Real Madrid lack talent :lol: ?
u must have no clue what you are talking about as usual .
the tackling is part of the game i know that , the world knows that , Pep and your players know that and no one moan except some people on the forum and you . it's normal for players like Zidane , Messi,Maradona,Cruyff..etc to get roughed by defenders it's not like Zidane or Ronaldo wasn't roughed by Barcelona several times before but as it seems you have just started to follow Barca in recent years you have no recollection of your history so i don't blame your lack of knowledge about your history but i do suggest you start working on that area

and get some grip you seem to be more emotional about your players than usual using the word "attack " ..etc show some maturity Titi :)

So you stick by your memories even when your club is pure scum?
Again with the support for you club in bad times. Thats pathetic for people hanging on to without having a life of their own. I like FCB because they deserve to be watched. I'm not gonna look at segunda liga or Madrid. Your team has reached pathetic lows and u still claim it has talent. Perhaps you are happy with less.
FCB = magic. Your team hasnt one big game decider (CR but .... haha) . Your team has "ugly players".
Your team steal ones thunder by buying every other star (and upsetting other clubs) and claiming they will win everything. Yet the whole world is laughing at them right now.

The way you support/stick to that club means you are getting pathetic, you have no spine at all.

I don't care if FCB would loose. At least they play the beautifull game and combined with their skills/talent (which is no luck ;) lukcy to have Pep? Who made him? That claim was absurd) by that they wont loose much.

upset..maturity? Tell that to the Madridistas sticking their fingers out "EN MASSE" at each Barca goal.
 

Beast

The Observer
del bosque won 2 european cups pre-galacticos, and the core of that side was already settled in. the galacticos were very much the cherries on top (needless, really, you were probably better before with redondo, raul, morientes, etc. - tho I guess the 02/03 side was very impressive) which made it much easier for him to say "go do yo' thang"

plus they were players that complimented each other. zidane was a trequartista, figo was a winger, ronaldo was a striker, beckham was a whateverthehellyouaskedhimtobe. then you had raul who was a forward, and bobby charles who was a left-back. no one got in each others way and they were players of such ability that it worked.

this current galacticos has too many players that step on each others toes.

beast, the first clasico is basically the only occasion that kaka and CR both played well, and really, CR didn't play that well. kaka was majestic, though.

the 4231 would work if you had wayne rooney. and then someone like, I dunno, solari of old. who's a modern solari? not park, he's got the workrate but not the skill. valencia? pablo? one of those two. basically you need a solid winger that will work his nuts off but also be able to produce attacks, and then you need raul of 2002, which is to say, rooney of 2010 (according to don fabio anyway, and I ain't disagreeing with him!)

then you could make the 4231 work. benzema could maybe do the job up-front in rooney's stead, but he's nowhere near as good and is something of a maladjusted chap. I don't think he gets on well with the big boys (conversely, rooney is mates with ronaldo which would by extension make him mates with kaka).
Agree and that's one of the current problem is the signings were not a cherry on top of the cake but the core of the team
Rooney ? i really don't know if it's even a good signing needless to say a valuable option .
i don't even think he can coup with living abroad or even leaving United
I don't think Higuain is a bad option upfront , in so many games he was able to control/hold the ball quite well and even play as a RW when it was
Higuain---------------Kaka------------CR/Marcelo
---------------------Benzema------------
Higuain is becoming a utility player and that's a big plus i wouldn't trade him for Rooney

For me, the major conflicting signings were Kaka and Ronaldo. Gio, you were dead certain Kaka would be the replacement to Zizou, but he most definitely doesn't orchestrate the attacking play. You would have been much better off saving the money on Kaka, and keeping Wesley, and giving him time to catch form after the series of injuries he went through.

OR. You could have bought Mr. Gourcuff, and gave him the right to be the Master of Ceremonies with Ronaldo and Higuain playing up in front of him somewhere.

I understand the need to buy Ronaldo, considering the clause your former president left you with, however no need for Kaka, and Benzie.

Something like....


If you can sell off Kaka to city, send Benzie somewhere he can be hugged daily and buy Gourcuff+Hazard, then my friend your in business.

OUT:
Benzie
Raul
Guti
Kaka

IN:
Hazard
Gourcuff
Negredo

-----------------------Higuain------------------------------
--------Ronaldo--------------------Granero/Hazard----------
-------------------Gourcuff---------------------------------
-------------Xabi-----------------Diarra---------------------

And.

---------Hazard------------Higuain-------------Ronaldo------
-------------------------Gourcuff----------------------------
---------------Xabi--------------------Diarra-----------------

BUSINESS.
I was gunning for Gourcuff and when it was Kaka i really hoped Kaka would play Zizou role as much as he was a failure in his first season logic dictate if we don't get a really god (not good ) offer for him (enter City :p)
he should be kept and tried with a different manager who might utilize his potential and improve him .. u just don't lose your thing he was still in love with Milan this year (his crap game vs Milano was too much ) .
Hazard is a great potential as well but don't forget they also have Canales who will probably replace Guti and sub Kaka or whoever will be the no 10 .

It's too early for throwing names as new signings cause you have to know who will be the new guy in charge .
i mean if it's Mourinho you can bet none of the 4 DM's will leave ..
kaka was a generly useless signing, he is way past it and you would only need him if you did not sign ronaldo, he is a pure galactico signing
Not really Yusuf , if you go to the prediction page most people thought he will be the best signing last summer , Real needed a playmaker and Sneijder last year was really bad
i'm happy he is banging them with Inter but it remains a fact he was seriously bad .
if you go to any of last year game threads (on the forum ) and see the comments on Sneijder you will remember how bad he was , how his shots were far from target ( CR on a bad day )
Kaka was (or any playmaker ) an essential signing as we lost all penetration from the center since Zizou left , Kaka playing bad in his first year is beyond the point though as we are talking about the signing itself , i may have preferred a younger AM but we def. needed an AM for the team

------------------------------------Higuain---------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------Ronaldo-------------------------------------
-----------Hazard/Granero--------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------Gourcuff--------------------------------------------
--------------------Xabi-------------------------------Diarra---------------------------

You could switch Hazard/Granero around to either side.

that resemble Schuster one side attack i personally prefer a more clear formation that allow the team to play on the two sides

I actually thought that losing the Dutch influence was a wonderful idea in the Madridista standpoint.... You had to lose Robben because of CR9 and Marcelo. Sneijder (and Drenthe) had to go because of Granero + Kaka + CR9. It's pretty obvious Granero will be a main man in a couple years since the board has full confidence in his abilities, and this is taking things to the right direction. CR9, despite being the most expensive player in the world, was also a superb signing not looking at the money....

However, there were some terrible signings. Benzema was obviously one of the worst signings of the decade and less to an extent Kaka. RM just need to find a core, and they'll find it with Granero, Higuain (plus maybe Negredo or some other Castilla striker), and Albiol + Sergio Ramos eventually IMO. Only problem is will Perez and the fans accept the word eventually..... They have more people for the future than they did since the last Perez and Calderon eras. Hopefully they don't buy more stars that will step on each other teammate's shoes. Like Nandor said, one bad musician can kill the harmony of the orchestra.

Since Valdano is supposedly calling the shots, perhaps we'll see some positive progress in the sense that Castilla players get promoted. No one thought that Pedro and Busquets would make it to the senior team. However, Pep gave them their chance, and look at them now. I'm confident that we'll see the Castilla players playing like them as long as the Galacticos don't control the dressing room. But also, you want to balance out the Cantera:Foreigner ratio so another Gaspart won't happen... According to what Beast said though, that's a challenging feat since the Castilla and the senior team have a different philosophy.

Manuel was slammed by Valdano when he didn't allow the Castilla players to play in games we finished early , the most promising of them and we need is Marcos Alonso the son of the Barca player who play as a LB for Castilla and just played 2-3 minutes .
The direction is to have more Spanish core Canales is the first step and there is strong indication for the likes of Silva-Cesc and others .
As i said above it's too early to play who will sign what cause most importantly is to determine who will be in charge and which players he will need but no doubt the team need to have his own flash and blood especially now that Guti and Raul are probably out they won't meet the UEFA minimum homegrown in Europe without it so expect some Castilla players soon

And Titi seriously a big lol "ugly players " :lol:
 

Nándor

New member
I've been saying this for months. Pelegrini is not the type of manager who can deliver instant results. It took him 2 seasons for Villarreal to shine under his command, an unacceptable time-frame when the money spent on transfer demanded instant results.

yep...i remember when he signed for real, we basically all agreed that he would need a lot of time before he could deliver silverware. none of us expected him to win something for real cause 1) there are too many new players and 2) he was brought in because he is supposed to be a wenger typ manager, who could form a team in time.

he's done a great job IMO so far, all things considered. cause as time went by, the team improved constantly. we saw beautifull football, lots of goals, a home record of 12 (i guess) victories etc. all that, followed by catching up on barca, changed the expactitions from he will need at least one season before the team can seriously aim for titles into he must win la liga or else.

i guess his problem is, that he was too good in the average games, while being way too bad in the big ones. he certainly made mistakes, like the ones beeb meantioned from others, but he's not been that bad like he's being made currently.

Negativity will remain hanging around Pellegrini , there is no turning back

U cannot lose games that matter and expect to stay , Manu (sadly i like him ) is not the man to lead this group , they need a much more powerful figure to guide them on the pitch .
punishing crap players is good but not good enough you need in game guidance which he failed to do several times

u can bet your left nut on this , Rafa is leading the polls though (Backed by Perez ) but Mourinho is catching up fast (backed by Valdano ) less than 2 % separate them

i don't think rafa is that much of a leader either. as far as leadership goes, it's mourinho or capello. both unfortunatly have that 1:0 minimalistic football kind of aura circeling around them.

i wonder how xabi alonso feels regarding the possibility of rafa taking over...good bye xabi??? make peace with rafa???

The conductor job is to correct the crap musician in rehearsals , if he allow the crap musician to keep playing the same way in the concert it's the conductor mistake not the musician

you seriously believe that the ability/quality/talant of the musician is not at all a factor to consider and that it's only down to the maestro??? cause that's they way you make it sound to me...like a great maestro can turn water into wine or else he's not a great maestro.


It's how u use the players Viva , the best times was the 4-2-3-1 when Marcel-Kaka-CR were behind Higuain that's the most balanced formation and most effective to the players he got .
he kept tinkering , started with 4-3-3 in pre-season switched to 4-2-2-2 than switched to 4-2-3-1 in the first classico and beyond it than switched to 4-3-3 till the classico .. he don't have the players for 4-3-3

in the 4-2-3-1 he has the best use of his team cause even Higuain can drop to the right winger position and play Benzema upfront (he did that couple of times ) ..


that one big mistake of pellegrini, not sticking with the formation that worked (4-2-3-1). however, i do believe it's also somewhat influenced by the injuries - kaká, VDV, benzema, momo - by the respective punishments - kaká, gago, lass - and the drop in form of some players - lass, gago. who do you play besides xabi, when you punish gago & lass, who also dropped form during the season and momo isn't the same ever since his injury, plus being injured again too. i think desperation caused the change of formation. together with the question who do you play on the left wing when marcelo is a liability.

thus the urgent need and desire to reinforce the midfield...names like fábregas, canales, david silva, javi martínez, ribéry, jesús navas came up regularly and would fit the sceme.


Ive just read in some article that the fans whistled Ronaldo towards the end of the match. I didn't notice it at all, does anyone know if it's true?
Yep it's true , our fans are not stupid and he was really bad

he really was crap...his game was over from the moment he injured/hurt his foot and started to limp. from that moment on, his game was similar to marcelos, running around like a headless chicken, making a lot of noise, a big fuss, but with nothing countable coming out of it.

sadly, he was often left alone too with little support from the midfield or higuain.

If you want stability you need to find a coach who add to the team first than give him time.

I was all for giving Manu his two years , i didn't mind losing the copa or the first classico , CL hurt a big time but still we said maybe it's the players but even now with the classico the output of Manu on the team is close to zero .

Now if you ask me what is our style with Pellegrini i can't answer you , cause it's not like he stuck with his formation and kept it . he changed his methods 3 times already in almost 8/9 month .
his original idea of 4-2-2-2 failed , he didn't keep the successful 4-2-3-1 after beating Depor with 4-3-3
he did gave Granero plenty of chances to play i'll give him that but what about the rest ? in so many games we were winning comfortably and he didn't give some of the youth on the bench some time .

He is a good manager but i was wrong to assume he could be a great manager with the right resources , we need a leader from the bench and Manuel was unable to lead several times .
u can always excuse losing to Barcelona due to the form /continuity / mentality .. but when u add Milano,Alco,Lyon .. nah

i agree with a lot, but you know what beats it for me??? the question wether or not another coach could satisfy the expectations and deliver silverware/glory.

i honestly don't see mourinho, rafa or ancelotti doing that trick. the only one i regard as being capable of doing that is capello - with the question about the beautifull football left open.

if it's capello, bring it on...but if it isn't, stick with pellegrini.

Who gives a shit about Madrid dude. Do we have to pity the Madridistas now?
People seem to like you (allthough virtually) because of your "input" but its hard to understand why you keep supporting that scum club.

They lack talent. They were ,again, acting like scum. They werent playing football. They keep shouting they gonna win it all,yet they dont even win a big match.
Big mouth and playing extremely dirty.

no offense, but that sound hypocritical coming from someone with dani alves in his team, who seems to be of the opinion he's an expert and has to comment on every single issue, plus bitching about real on every occasion. he's annoying ever since he moved to barca...don't know why, maybe he thinks he's the best thing that ever happened to barca.

it's not like barca players never comment on real in a negative manner.

Yep and no , it's all speculation atm
the 5 names are Rafa,Jose,Fabio,Felipao and Carlo
outside but strong bet as well is one of Blanc or Michael Laudrup .

I see Jose as our best bet though due to the state of the mental weakness


good points although i believe in several occasions (first classico is one of them ) both kaka & CR completed each other and played well .

there is a lot to do about guidance and a strong man to enforce his will on CR and Kaka
i see both fitting well the 4-2-3-1 with Kaka in the center and CR on either side of the wings but they do need a strong man to keep the tactic shape intact and that's something Pellegrini failed to do
he is so much like Del Bosque with his laid back and letting the players do their best and improvise hurting the squad in the process plus the difference is Del Bosque had players who played for 7-8 years before with few additions Manu has 5-6 new ones and u can't let them do what they want as each of them come from a different tactical school and manager

it definitly should be capello...what are the chances of him taking over again??? i mean from the club management point of view???
 
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