Real Madrid (old thread)

[Nándor]

Nando .. Tevez yes .. i anticipated this some time ago here especially if some names are heading City way ..
however a Tevez and Higuain is stupid.. only one of them

Lampard i doubt it for couple of reasons one of them is Chelsea don't like doing business with Mourinho at all

tévez is a great player and his fighting spirit on the pitch would do great for real...however, i don't think tévez will end up at madrid, but if he did, he'd probably be there no longer than 1 season or 2. he's not the type of player to commit to a club and has already said, that within the next 2 seasons - if i remember right - he'll say good bye to europe. his aim is to go back to south america.
but be that as it may, 1 thing is for certain: he won't be at the club longer than higuain would be. so changing tévez for higuain is IMO a bad deal. not to meantion tévez talent of being a troublemaker as soon as things don't go the way he'd like them to go. mourinho & tévez is at least 1 troublemaker too much.

i hope you're right about lampard...i don't want him or gerrard moving to mardid.

 

[Aryagorn]

tévez is a great player and his fighting spirit on the pitch would do great for real...however, i don't think tévez will end up at madrid, but if he did, he'd probably be there no longer than 1 season or 2. he's not the type of player to commit to a club and has already said, that within the next 2 seasons - if i remember right - he'll say good bye to europe. his aim is to go back to south america.
but be that as it may, 1 thing is for certain: he won't be at the club longer than higuain would be. so changing tévez for higuain is IMO a bad deal. not to meantion tévez talent of being a troublemaker as soon as things don't go the way he'd like them to go. mourinho & tévez is at least 1 troublemaker too much.

i hope you're right about lampard...i don't want him or gerrard moving to mardid.

He did say some thing on 'quit' lines but that he'd quit the football entirely if he wins the WC this year... ain't gonna happen, so chill

 

[Beast]

tévez is a great player and his fighting spirit on the pitch would do great for real...however, i don't think tévez will end up at madrid, but if he did, he'd probably be there no longer than 1 season or 2. he's not the type of player to commit to a club and has already said, that within the next 2 seasons - if i remember right - he'll say good bye to europe. his aim is to go back to south america.
but be that as it may, 1 thing is for certain: he won't be at the club longer than higuain would be. so changing tévez for higuain is IMO a bad deal. not to meantion tévez talent of being a troublemaker as soon as things don't go the way he'd like them to go. mourinho & tévez is at least 1 troublemaker too much.

i hope you're right about lampard...i don't want him or gerrard moving to mardid.

tevez is an awesome player for Real in terms of his character on the pitch ..
anyhow it all depend on what City wants and if Robinho will be gone for good , they will want to add to their team not lose more players ..
i anticipate some players leaving , if my guess is right it could be Kaka + Gago

anyhow it's a bit early no business will be done till the WC ends for those participating

 

[Aryagorn]

Sriously Gio... Kaka to leave!? The first Galactico to leave after just 1 season!? Sounds shocking and unrealistic!!

 

[Metaphysical]

tevez would be AMAZING for reial.

even the great Sir Alex Ferguson, the man who threw a shoe at the most famous footballer in the world, let Cristiano get away with absolute murder.

fergie didn't throw a shoe at beckham, he was supposed to have kicked one at him, but he didn't do that either. giggs flicked it off his boot and hit beckham in the head. fergie took the blame to hide the fracture in the squad, and shipped beckham off at the end of the season.

Of all people I thought you'd know Mourinho too well Meta. Mourinho has no respect or no care for anyone else but his own players. He forms special bonds with his players and he makes them all believe they are 10 feet tall (quoting Makalele) and he makes them all believe in him and his projects. Mourinho may not be a tactical genius, but he is a genius in dealing with people and human nature. He will use everything that the world hates Ronaldo to his advantage, thats how the man has been so successful. He has turned player's weaknesses into strengths. He will make Ronaldo believe that he is even ten times the player he is, he will get him to believe that Ronaldo can destroy the world on his own and he will make him track back because Ronaldo will feed on Mourinho's words.

I wish I had Mourinho as my coach when I was playing soccer, he would have protected me from critisim, he would have disciplined me into my roles, he would make me believe I can win 50/50 chances all the time and he would make me feel 10 feet tall too.

Ronaldo has every ingredient to be a Mourinho type of player and this would be a match made in heaven me thinks. They both think alike, and behave alike. Ronaldo will be protected by Mourinho and he will relish that. You said it Meta, Ronaldo works like a dog, Mourinho loves that and he will build on from there. Ronaldo has been seen defending from the front, so no reason for Mourinho to not use that.

But that go against you previous post some time ago about how CR need a strong man to make him work hard for the team like SAD did ?

I never said those things would happen. you seemed to be asking a legitimate question as to what could possibly cause a fracture between mourinho and ronaldo, so I gave you two reasons why ronaldo may be holding a grudge, and a third why they may have problems during a season (see mourinho's problems with joe cole for why he may have issues with ronaldo).

personally, I don't think there will be much of an issue in the long-term. I expect there will be at first, where jose publicly comment on ronaldo needing to work harder and track back (as he did with joe cole) but unlike joe cole I think ronaldo will pick up on it and start working harder, so the problem will vanish. but in general yes, mourinho will do what fergie did to ronaldo - make him believe he is the greatest and can do anything.

 

[Aryagorn]

Joe Cole had a fight with Mourinho!? I thought it was him who gave a proper direction to Cole's career?

 

[Raed]

Well Joe Cole was highly technical and liked the free role but Mourinho came in and limited him. It took a while for Joe Cole to respond but when he did, his career became a lot more consistent and benefited Chelsea a lot more.

By the time Joe Cole responded, he was benched and almost left the club.

 

[Beast]

Sriously Gio... Kaka to leave!? The first Galactico to leave after just 1 season!? Sounds shocking and unrealistic!!

It doesn't matter when he leave , but it does matter that you correct your mistakes .. Owen,Samuel , Anelka all left after a year
personally from all the players the only one i don't see fitting Mourinho tactics is Kaka
replace Kaka with Gourcuff and you have a more balanced squad...

of course all this talk is hypothetical , Kaka could be the the best thing since slice bread if Jose can adjust him for the good of the team

 

[Metaphysical]

It doesn't matter when he leave , but it does matter that you correct your mistakes .. Owen,Samuel , Anelka all left after a year
personally from all the players the only one i don't see fitting Mourinho tactics is Kaka
replace Kaka with Gourcuff and you have a more balanced squad...

of course all this talk is hypothetical , Kaka could be the the best thing since slice bread if Jose can adjust him for the good of the team

well

I mean

if you look at these midfields:

---makelele---
---------essien
lampard-------

-----motta-----
----------chuco
sneijder-------

and then you go:

------djila------
------------xabi
kaka------------

you'd haveta think, if kaka wants to, he should be chuffing awesome under mourinho.

 

[Beast]

And it comes down to the last line

"IF HE WANTS TOO " .. he need to come back and help the defense

although i see the team more Jose's Chelsea 4-3-3 (Robben -Duff/Cole - Drogba ) than 4-3-1-2 (Sneijder/Pandev - Milito - Eto'o ) ..
sad thing is i don't know if he will use Higuain or he will be surplus to requirement

 

[Aryagorn]

Well Joe Cole was highly technical and liked the free role but Mourinho came in and limited him. It took a while for Joe Cole to respond but when he did, his career became a lot more consistent and benefited Chelsea a lot more.

By the time Joe Cole responded, he was benched and almost left the club.

Good to know Raed

It doesn't matter when he leave , but it does matter that you correct your mistakes .. Owen,Samuel , Anelka all left after a year
personally from all the players the only one i don't see fitting Mourinho tactics is Kaka
replace Kaka with Gourcuff and you have a more balanced squad...

of course all this talk is hypothetical , Kaka could be the the best thing since slice bread if Jose can adjust him for the good of the team

Kaka is like Sneijder no? I mean Sneijder is like Kaka!?
Let's say Mou installs his Inter formation here... Eto'o replced by Ronaldo(for which Ronaldo is obviously better!!), Milito replaced by Higuain & free role for Kaka like he did for Sneijder!!

 

[Metaphysical]

he will wanna keep higuain, but he won't use him as a CF.

he'll use him as he used balotelli or as he used robben. all depends if higuain wants to play that role.

but I can see ribery coming in to play on the opposite flank to ronaldo (the hilarious thing is robben would be golden in that set-up).

for CF he'll want a proper old-school type. negredo, benzema, dzeko... one of them basically.

 

[Beast]

Sneijder tracks back , although he is useless in defending he still track back compared to Kaka who hardly leave the 18 yard line and move right and left on the border ..

i see Kaka leaving and a more CM/AM like Gourcuff/Gerrard/Lampard is a much better option .

CF it's between Negredo & Dzeko .. but that will mean people like Kaka /Benzema leaving to finance the deals

Mourinho will get first a CB he trust , that's how he always rolled .. Carvalho in Chelsea and Lucio with Inter ..that's why a Vidic-Benzema swap is not far fetched

Meta i think you forgot Robben had a big fall out with Jose in his last year.. he would've been sold this summer even if he stayed

 

[Metaphysical]

oh yeah I know he doesn't get on with jose, but that makes it even funnier.

he'd be perfect for the 433 especially with his current level of play. but you sold him. but even if you kept him, jose would have sold him anyway.

I love how you refuse to give up on the possibility of reial signing gourcuff. it's like me with barca and cesc. I refused to rule it out.

 

[Beast]

oh yeah I know he doesn't get on with jose, but that makes it even funnier.

he'd be perfect for the 433 especially with his current level of play. but you sold him. but even if you kept him, jose would have sold him anyway.

I love how you refuse to give up on the possibility of reial signing gourcuff. it's like me with barca and cesc. I refused to rule it out.

Look Robben & CR could have been impossible.. do u know how many assists Robben has with Bayern in the CL ? zero , and just 7 in the league
he is like CR in terms of he will go and win the game for you but his crossing are not that better than CR although he do try but the end product is almost the same ..top scorer for B Munich
you can entertain one but not 2 .. cause a major downfall IMO

Gourcuff was my first choice if you remember but Kaka was also great (on paper ) but he never get things going although i've been watching all our goals highlights and i'm starting to wonder if i was too harsh on Kaka .. there was some nice moves by him early this season