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Benfica are putting that price on Di Maria, if Madrid are willing to pay, let them.
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beef-supreme
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Still doesn't change anything. I'm not concerned about Real Madrid. Couldn't care less how much they spend. But it's a simple question of economics.
Beast
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Peter , when we bought Robinho from Santos for 30 Million people laughed @ Real , he was sold few years later for 42 , we were laughed @ when we bought Higuain for 14 Million.. now his price is 50 .. of course you will have the drenthe's but in general you have a 50 /50 chance .. but with the likes of Villa-Kaka-Ibra there is certainty his price is def. down
+ Real Madrid is buying you must push the price at least 30 % up .. that's how it goes ..
i'd rather pay them for Di Maria every day than buy Kaka or Villa for that same amount .. one is for instant success the other is for future and continuity
Smart Joao .. very smart question .
10-14 days ago or so i wrote here "major idiots " about the club and was bombarded from cule's and Madridistas asking about what , at the end i did tell Nandor about it
.. it was about 2 things one of them relate to your question and relate about the major reconstruction in the club .
I love Jorge he is a pure Madridista and a long serving member of the club , someone who love beautiful football and i respect him and his opinion ..
do you think Jorge could work with someone he don't like his football ? the answer is no .. Jorge is /could be stepping down very soon , the reason i challenged Gilbert about the length of Jose time in Real is that the club is about to give him total control of the club in short what the English call football manager ala Wenger/SAF which make the position of Pardeza & Valdano useless .
i'm all for the idea it's not bad but i'm against the person who will do it , Jose is 3-4 year manager and not for the long run plus with the club structure (elections, members powers ) in reality it's hard to do it .
i don't want to sacrifice Jorge who proved to be a strong club manager for Jose , plus i don't know if Jose can keep Perez in check the way Jorge did this season .
the reason Mourinho deal was delayed till now is Jorge and Perez is trying to find a working relation between both of them , even Valdano said yesterday Jose is one of the best manager but not the best manager in the world .
the change could be dangerous i'd like to have someone as a buffer to keep managers from doing stupid things.. it's not like Jose didn't waste money on Quaresma
sorry for the long post but my believe is no they won't work it out , i just hope Jorge can stay but my sources say it all depend on Perez finding a middle ground for two people like fire and water to work together
i know but the goal worth 5 mil aloneHey! I like Di Maria, as i said, read my comments on the thread!
Nándor
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hasn't mourinho already been asked about his ability to co-exist among valdano??? with the answer being something like there is no problem at all, it would just be a matter of clearifying and knowing who does what.
don't know about sneijder...but with kaká, it feels like unfinished buisness. after all these years of asking for him, failing to get him, you don't even give him a fair chance to prove himself worthy??? let's face it, pellegrini never found a way to integrate kaká into one of his gazillion systems. that has a bad taste IMO
don't know about sneijder...but with kaká, it feels like unfinished buisness. after all these years of asking for him, failing to get him, you don't even give him a fair chance to prove himself worthy??? let's face it, pellegrini never found a way to integrate kaká into one of his gazillion systems. that has a bad taste IMO
gvt2000
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I would not put the chance at 50/50. For every success, there are a lot of failures, Arsenal's full of them. How many players have been labeled as "the next big thing?" Quaresma, Raul Garcia, Kerrison, Simao, Drenthe, Cassano, Saviola, Anderson, Martin Caceres, Asenjo, Gago, Giovanni dos Santos, Portillo, Vicente. Well you get the point, there are very few hyped up youngsters who live up to the hype. If you look at the pattern, most of the time, its the ones without a lot of hype who succeed (Aguero, Higuain, Messi, cristiano, Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Alves, Luis Felipe, De gea)
Beast
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If you noticed most of them are character and half of them were not really hyped ..
Kerrison was hyped by cule's (which you always do the moment your club sign a player .. see Caceres ) i recall labeling Caceres a big flop when i heard you were going for him having seen how he gifted us goals when we played Recreativo and allowed us to turn the result from 2-1 to 3-2 (Robinho brace )
you will have the case of being hyped in a different continent (K9,Saviola ,maxi ) , character (Quaresma,Cassano,Drenthe ) , lack of adaption to Europe..etc
i think Simao did well with Atletico ..
anyhow Di Maria spent 2 years now with Benfica so the transition is over from SA to Europe.. it's time to see if he can make it big ,some of the promising players must be signed now cause you know once they take their form to the WC it will be all over and you will add 10-15 more to their price with a longer list of bidders
I always look @ it as 50 /50.. for every Higuain-Marcelo there is Gago-Drenthe.. but i see your point considering your young guns scouting under Laporta has been nothing short of a long long list of disasters
Caceres,Maxi(i know he is good now but in Catania -big fish /small pond ) ,K9 , Shagmisskey..etc so with Barca you do have a point but not elsewhere ..
regarding Arsenal it's not about the talents they do have a big squad of talents the problem comes down to
1- leadership (or lack of )
2- stubbornness
both are related since they all come down to Wenger , had he bought back Vieira for free it would have helped his young squad who have no leaders and whatever people say unless you are really a world beater like Maradona with a really charismatic character Cesc cannot lead Gallas,Sol , Almunia.. when they were winning trophies he was still unable to buy playboy
Kerrison was hyped by cule's (which you always do the moment your club sign a player .. see Caceres ) i recall labeling Caceres a big flop when i heard you were going for him having seen how he gifted us goals when we played Recreativo and allowed us to turn the result from 2-1 to 3-2 (Robinho brace )
you will have the case of being hyped in a different continent (K9,Saviola ,maxi ) , character (Quaresma,Cassano,Drenthe ) , lack of adaption to Europe..etc
i think Simao did well with Atletico ..
anyhow Di Maria spent 2 years now with Benfica so the transition is over from SA to Europe.. it's time to see if he can make it big ,some of the promising players must be signed now cause you know once they take their form to the WC it will be all over and you will add 10-15 more to their price with a longer list of bidders
I always look @ it as 50 /50.. for every Higuain-Marcelo there is Gago-Drenthe.. but i see your point considering your young guns scouting under Laporta has been nothing short of a long long list of disasters
Caceres,Maxi(i know he is good now but in Catania -big fish /small pond ) ,K9 , Shagmisskey..etc so with Barca you do have a point but not elsewhere ..
regarding Arsenal it's not about the talents they do have a big squad of talents the problem comes down to
1- leadership (or lack of )
2- stubbornness
both are related since they all come down to Wenger , had he bought back Vieira for free it would have helped his young squad who have no leaders and whatever people say unless you are really a world beater like Maradona with a really charismatic character Cesc cannot lead Gallas,Sol , Almunia.. when they were winning trophies he was still unable to buy playboy
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Lemmi
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cheers dear, ego needed that x
Metaphysical
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peter is absolutely bang-on.
robinho, ramos, pepe... these fees were largely ineffective because reial madrid were not relevant. they weren't winning things, and the fees themselves weren't records (in fact the world was still kinda reeling from the zidane transfer), and the players themselves were not world-beaters, bar robinho, who had serious personal issues getting out of brazil. so while it was gross overspending brought on by a "top club tax" it didn't have an adverse effect on the market.
now? because you broke the record with the CR deal and spent €300m in one summer, everyone is looking to you. what you pay for players will define the worth of that quality-bracket. ribery was being talked about as costing 30m before perez returned to office. then his value more than doubles to 80m. and this had an inflation effect on the rest of the transfer market for that summer. it's why zlatan's value was rated as 70-80m by moratti, because to him zlatan was as good as CR (and was the highest paid player in the world, to boot), which is why we had to pay 45m+eto'o rather than say 10-20m+eto'o.
but a year has passed and we injected a sense of proportion back into the market by signing the best striker in the world for 40m. a large but sensible fee given the player's talent and experience.
now if you go and sign a largely unproven winger for exactly the same price, then the market is fucked again.
they don't call me Perfect Jab for nothin'!
yeah I can't argue against it being fun. winding people up always is.
like I said I was just in a bad mood.
but in all seriousness I do value your opinions on belgian football, as I have an interest in it but barely get to watch any. so when you speak on it I tend to listen as you're informed on the subject and level-headed about it.
robinho, ramos, pepe... these fees were largely ineffective because reial madrid were not relevant. they weren't winning things, and the fees themselves weren't records (in fact the world was still kinda reeling from the zidane transfer), and the players themselves were not world-beaters, bar robinho, who had serious personal issues getting out of brazil. so while it was gross overspending brought on by a "top club tax" it didn't have an adverse effect on the market.
now? because you broke the record with the CR deal and spent €300m in one summer, everyone is looking to you. what you pay for players will define the worth of that quality-bracket. ribery was being talked about as costing 30m before perez returned to office. then his value more than doubles to 80m. and this had an inflation effect on the rest of the transfer market for that summer. it's why zlatan's value was rated as 70-80m by moratti, because to him zlatan was as good as CR (and was the highest paid player in the world, to boot), which is why we had to pay 45m+eto'o rather than say 10-20m+eto'o.
but a year has passed and we injected a sense of proportion back into the market by signing the best striker in the world for 40m. a large but sensible fee given the player's talent and experience.
now if you go and sign a largely unproven winger for exactly the same price, then the market is fucked again.
Sweet jab mate
they don't call me Perfect Jab for nothin'!
yeah I can't argue against it being fun. winding people up always is.
like I said I was just in a bad mood.
but in all seriousness I do value your opinions on belgian football, as I have an interest in it but barely get to watch any. so when you speak on it I tend to listen as you're informed on the subject and level-headed about it.
I definitely win
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back on subject, sid says that manu will get an 8ME pay off, why madrid gave him such a long, plump contract when this was a likely scenario is pretty silly. and mou will cost at least 14ME.
nah you still lose m8...
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