Real Madrid (old thread)

[IrvDizzle]

nope. it was Mourinho or Ancelotti or bust for you. I told you that Manu is in over his head. He's never ever been in this type of situation before, never been given the responsibility to manage a team and deal with an owner who has knee-jerk reactions like Ry has drunken nights. Mourinho or Ancelotti were the only logical choices, Ancelotti more than Mourinho cuz Ancelotti actually found CL success at a club steeped in history and run by a maniacal crackhead. Mourinho/Ancelloti would have told anyone on that "team" where to go if they had a problem with their playing time or the tactics. Cristiano looks at Manu, after working under Sir Alex, and thinks, who the f**k is this guy? Kaka looks at Manu, after working under Ancelotti, and thinks the same thing. The only person who probably thinks Manu is an upgrade is Xabi. And Benzema is too stupid to realize where he is.

After the two of them ... well ... you might as well have just asked Zizou to start coaching.

 

[Gnegneri]

"Raul is the only striker available this weekend."
That sounds so incredibly dull after your summer transfer shenanigans.


bad luck though, for the whole Liga actually. Villa, Henry, Zlatan, Ronaldo, Higuain, Benzema, ... Only Sevilla's attack was injury free I believe.

 

[desoe]

Well, at least they have one avaliable striker for their game. We started ours against Valencia without any ....

 

[ChuckaOwns]

So who are Madrid dependant on? Apparently they were dependant on Kaka not long ago, now Cristina....Who's next? The next guy who's injured or benched when you lose?

 

[Gnegneri]

Well, at least they have one avaliable striker for their game. We started ours against Valencia without any ....

Well Messi, or isn't he counted as a striker?

For me he is something between midfield and striker but we count Ronaldo mor eor less as a striker so .. Forgot Bojan in the list. Actually really depressing for the entertainment of La Liga.

 

[Beast]

nope. it was Mourinho or Ancelotti or bust for you. I told you that Manu is in over his head. He's never ever been in this type of situation before, never been given the responsibility to manage a team and deal with an owner who has knee-jerk reactions like Ry has drunken nights. Mourinho or Ancelotti were the only logical choices, Ancelotti more than Mourinho cuz Ancelotti actually found CL success at a club steeped in history and run by a maniacal crackhead. Mourinho/Ancelloti would have told anyone on that "team" where to go if they had a problem with their playing time or the tactics. Cristiano looks at Manu, after working under Sir Alex, and thinks, who the f**k is this guy? Kaka looks at Manu, after working under Ancelotti, and thinks the same thing. The only person who probably thinks Manu is an upgrade is Xabi. And Benzema is too stupid to realize where he is.

After the two of them ... well ... you might as well have just asked Zizou to start coaching.

I think you missed this part

Valdano , but so would anyone in his shoes..
u want a succesful manager who make his teams play very good football and have a good track record .. only select few could fit that bill and Pellegrini is high on that list don't you think ?

Carlo .. Carlo ? Carlo was a pre-dominantly yes man through out his time @ Milan to the extent he had to drop his original formation to please Silvio ...

Judges are out on him with Chelsea.. i'm deeply surprised and shocked from your suggestion..

As for Mourinho .. Capello teams are more entertaining ffs man he wouldn't last in the liga and lets not forget he was so brilliant @ Inter he paid fools gold for wingers only to change the formation cause it didn't work while wasting about 45 Million Euro spent on Mancini and Quaresma ..
Mourinho add nothing to Inter in his first year and yes i can see how brilliantly Inter are doing under Mourinho in Europe.. seriously Irv man look behind the "FLASHY " names

"Raul is the only striker available this weekend."
That sounds so incredibly dull after your summer transfer shenanigans.


bad luck though, for the whole Liga actually. Villa, Henry, Zlatan, Ronaldo, Higuain, Benzema, ... Only Sevilla's attack was injury free I believe.

well yeah at one point you think we have a rich bench suddenly they are all falling down like toy soldiers
Raul prevails

 

[desoe]

Well Messi, or isn't he counted as a striker?

For me he is something between midfield and striker but we count Ronaldo mor eor less as a striker so .. Forgot Bojan in the list. Actually really depressing for the entertainment of La Liga.

Well, you see - that's the problem for me. I want to see a striker on the pitch, not just someone who you consider as "something between midfield and striker"

Maybe that's the problem with Messi playing that role - he's doing 50:50 from both. I can see what our gameplan looks like when we play without a N9, and that's not the first time wee see it - Rijkaard used to play R10 as a striker not once, but I just don't like it when we're doing it. I prefer to see a N9 on the pitch, someone who knows that he has to be in the box and wait for his chance.

p.s. sorry for the spam in your thread, Beast :beer2:

 

[antonnn]

Iker Casillas competed with Dida for the worst goalkeeping error of the day and then the Madrid backline forgot that part of their defensive duties is to mark opposition players and left Alexandre Pato with so much space and time for the winning goal that the Brazilian youngster could have smoked a cigar, chatted with his wife over the phone and still scored. It was that bad defending and that good an indicator that should Santa Claus fail to arrive on time this Christmas, you could always bank on the Madrid backline to deliver you the gifts.

Epic quote in bold, EPIC!

 

[Gnegneri]

Well, you see - that's the problem for me. I want to see a striker on the pitch, not just someone who you consider as "something between midfield and striker"

Maybe that's the problem with Messi playing that role - he's doing 50:50 from both. I can see what our gameplan looks like when we play without a N9, and that's not the first time wee see it - Rijkaard used to play R10 as a striker not once, but I just don't like it when we're doing it. I prefer to see a N9 on the pitch, someone who knows that he has to be in the box and wait for his chance.

p.s. sorry for the spam in your thread, Beast :beer2:

yay, very very sure. I don't see Messi as the typical striker type nor want to classify him under that term but on paper he is counted as one imo. He is also getting the awards in that category, not midfield.

 

[IrvDizzle]

I think you missed this part

Carlo .. Carlo ? Carlo was a pre-dominantly yes man through out his time @ Milan to the extent he had to drop his original formation to please Silvio ...

Judges are out on him with Chelsea.. i'm deeply surprised and shocked from your suggestion..

As for Mourinho .. Capello teams are more entertaining ffs man he wouldn't last in the liga and lets not forget he was so brilliant @ Inter he paid fools gold for wingers only to change the formation cause it didn't work while wasting about 45 Million Euro spent on Mancini and Quaresma ..
Mourinho add nothing to Inter in his first year and yes i can see how brilliantly Inter are doing under Mourinho in Europe.. seriously Irv man look behind the "FLASHY " names

Gio, I would love to look past the flashy names except for one reason, you have flashy players!! You have players who are mega-stars. You need a superstar coach to control them, because you don't have a guy like Laudrup (yet, allegedly) or Pep. give me a Real Madrid candidate like Pep and I would choose them over Mourinho or Ancelotti every day of the week. But your club doesn't. You don't have someone who can walk through the doors who is a legend at the club, who has won championships, who has some coaching experience, who has some tactical knowledge. no one!! if Raul were 10 years older, coming off a managerial season at Getafe or at Madrid B then fuck yea, sign him up. Gio, this is management 101. You have a team of professionals who know they are the shit working for an institution that is the shit, you need a leader who can inspire them and keep them in line. That's why Frank failed in his last two years, he had his legs cut out from under him when Laporta began giving special treatment to Ronaldinho and Deco. The team fell apart (well that was one reason, not the reason). your team knows that Perez is not happy with Manu. So they aren't going to go out there and bust their hand-lathered balls for them. Now Pep, Xavi and Iniesta would walk in to a brick wall for him. Carlo and Mourinho would have inspired them. And as for boring football, your defense could use some boring football right now, cuz it's a sieve. And yes, Mourinho wasted money on players, kinda like Perez has wasted money on Benzema? But at least Mourinho realized his mistake and changed his formation. Isn't that what you're criticizing Manu for not doing right now? Management 101 Gio ... it doesn't add up.

 

[Beast]

Gio, I would love to look past the flashy names except for one reason, you have flashy players!! You have players who are mega-stars. You need a superstar coach to control them, because you don't have a guy like Laudrup (yet, allegedly) or Pep. give me a Real Madrid candidate like Pep and I would choose them over Mourinho or Ancelotti every day of the week. But your club doesn't. You don't have someone who can walk through the doors who is a legend at the club, who has won championships, who has some coaching experience, who has some tactical knowledge. no one!! if Raul were 10 years older, coming off a managerial season at Getafe or at Madrid B then fuck yea, sign him up. Gio, this is management 101. You have a team of professionals who know they are the shit working for an institution that is the shit, you need a leader who can inspire them and keep them in line. That's why Frank failed in his last two years, he had his legs cut out from under him when Laporta began giving special treatment to Ronaldinho and Deco. The team fell apart (well that was one reason, not the reason). your team knows that Perez is not happy with Manu. So they aren't going to go out there and bust their hand-lathered balls for them. Now Pep, Xavi and Iniesta would walk in to a brick wall for him. Carlo and Mourinho would have inspired them. And as for boring football, your defense could use some boring football right now, cuz it's a sieve. And yes, Mourinho wasted money on players, kinda like Perez has wasted money on Benzema? But at least Mourinho realized his mistake and changed his formation. Isn't that what you're criticizing Manu for not doing right now? Management 101 Gio ... it doesn't add up.

Irv my man .. i can right now name over 30 legends turned managers who failed miserably .. just because Pep made it is an exception for the rule not a proof of how good it works .. lets look no further past Leonardo a Milan legend , Van Basten Ajax legend Michel a legend in the 80's a failure as a coach with Castilla and last but not least Diego Armando Maradona .so your management idea "101" is a failure , exceptions like Valdano , Pep,Cruyff ,Beckenbauer ,Laudrup are all exceptions for every bold choice for a young /lack of experience manager who make it there are 30 others managers who fail
And no the club don't need some boring football to defend well our team need some kick in the butt for some midfield players like Xabi and a proper formation to allow support for the 2 full backs instead of leaving them all the time vs 2 players cause the rest of the team is hanging around the center of the pitch it's not just Marcelo & Drenthe who suffer but also players who were known to be defensively solid like Sergio Ramos and Arbeloa (see Deportivo game ) ..

It's a formation problem .. and it' quit easy to fix ..

Benzema is so far a waste of space Irvin but they give him time and play him to adapt cause he changed leagues and still young .. Mancini & Quarsema see the pitch on PES then with Inter one of them didn't change leagues and is 30 year old now .. that's the difference

Again Irv Carlo can't inspire a duck to swim in the lake his management style is please the stars and be friendly , you don't know him well my man

 

[Cal-FCB]

Haha The Sun apparently said Real will bid £30m for Gerrard in the summer I think he'd be awful in La Liga, he doesn't have the composure to play in that kind of league.

 

[Valon]

How can you claim you have no LB problem when Marcelo is so shit.

 

[IrvDizzle]

Irv my man .. i can right now name over 30 legends turned managers who failed miserably .. just because Pep made it is an exception for the rule not a proof of how good it works .. lets look no further past Leonardo a Milan legend , Van Basten Ajax legend Michel a legend in the 80's a failure as a coach with Castilla and last but not least Diego Armando Maradona .so your management idea "101" is a failure , exceptions like Valdano , Pep,Cruyff ,Beckenbauer ,Laudrup are all exceptions for every bold choice for a young /lack of experience manager who make it there are 30 others managers who fail
And no the club don't need some boring football to defend well our team need some kick in the butt for some midfield players like Xabi and a proper formation to allow support for the 2 full backs instead of leaving them all the time vs 2 players cause the rest of the team is hanging around the center of the pitch it's not just Marcelo & Drenthe who suffer but also players who were known to be defensively solid like Sergio Ramos and Arbeloa (see Deportivo game ) ..

It's a formation problem .. and it' quit easy to fix ..

Benzema is so far a waste of space Irvin but they give him time and play him to adapt cause he changed leagues and still young .. Mancini & Quarsema see the pitch on PES then with Inter one of them didn't change leagues and is 30 year old now .. that's the difference

Again Irv Carlo can't inspire a duck to swim in the lake his management style is please the stars and be friendly , you don't know him well my man

I know that Pep is an exception to the rule Gio, but that doesn't mean that you should disregard what these types of managers have to offer. my management 101 idea is not a failure. the idea is to get a manager who is either successful and well respected in the footballing circle (Mourinho, Ancelotti, Hiddink, Capello) or a manager who is well respected within the club and knows the club inside/out. any idiot would have been able to say that Maradona would have been able to fail, and not just because you hate him. The jury is still out on Leonardo, because the Milan team from last year was terrible. Van Basten failed, so did Michel and Koeman, so did Roy Keane, jury still out on Hugo Sanchez (but depending how Almeria finish doesn't he deserve consideration?). My point is Gio, that Manu was not the best available choice for the job. you may not like Carlo or Mourinho, but at least they would have commanded the respect of the players. You are correct in saying that a RMadrid-version of Pep would have it's risks, but what coaching choice does not have it's risks? Imagine if Valdano hires an ex-Madrid legend who Perez likes? Who cares if he has slim-to-none managerial experience? Stability comes from the top down. President - Sporting Director - Manager all have to see eye-to-eye and all have to present a united front publicly and in front of the staff/players. That's another point to management 101. You can't have success on the pitch if there is no stability in the front office. that's how it is with any team in any sport on any level. that's what's missing here. if Manu never had Perez's support he shouldn't have been hired. If he was never going to get the opportunities to work out his tactics he never should have been hired. If Valdano and Perez were going to buy players and have a manager come in and fit a hodgepodge type formation in, then they should have bought players with a manager's specific system in mind. It was like the right hand (manager) didn't know what the left hand (management) was doing. Management 101.

 

[ZenI]

Maybe I'm old school, but I've always belived that matches are controlled and won from the midfield - yours doesn't exist. There's a big gap between your DMs and the rest of your midfield - no harmony. And on top of that your 2 fullbacks are very attack minded (+ your left side can't defend for shit, makes Alves look like a "Ballon d'Or" winning defender). You guys have 3 of the best DMs but no playmaker (Xabi has sucked so far and I think he will continue to suck). And Granero is not doing a good job either, he's mediocre at best.