Robinho

[blueduck]

He left Santos on good terms. He hardly forced a move.

Sylvinho has said Robinho is very happy here and Hughes has always said Robinho is a huge part of what we want to do in the future.

 

[yusuf]

uhhh, he forced his way out of santos

 

[Metaphysical]

duckie, you're so precious. you remind me of chelsea fans when they first came into money. "oh we'll break even in 5 years!" etc.

your owners are businessmen. they're also arabs so are obsessed with status (the whole reason they bought robinho in the first place, why they tried for kaka, why they were willing to pay €30m for eto'o when he'd be free in a year) and if robinho is unhappy in any way they will want to get rid of him on the best possible terms so he doesn't talk them down and damage their image.

tevez has ATROCIOUS technique. his first touch ranges from good to awful, his dribbling is as erratic as his haircut, and his finishing is astoundingly inconsistent. he takes more air-shots and scuffs than any other striker I can think of. his inconsistency on the ball points to bad technique. ade and kompany have splendid technique, but they're also physical beasts. and that's their primary quality and what hughes likes. he's building a powerful side, just like mourinho did at chelsea. skill is a byproduct; if it's there, so be it, but that's not the first thing he looks for. no one he's signed is a really expressive open player (robinho was signed for him) and he's shackled ireland as he continues to evolve his vision of the team.

as for the video: hughes is not going to publically admit he wants robinho to fuck off 2 and a half months before it's possible for him to do so and rob himself of the workrate of a top-class player for that time period. I don't know that they dislike each other, I'm just going by the football city play and the team hughes has constructed (supposedly this was to be around robinho, but this isn't the case) which is much more inclined towards physicality than skill.

united are the epitome of the merchandising corporate thing that football has become, and that's not to be admired, but as a business they run at a profit. yeah, they have debts of 700m or whatever it is, but the club didn't incur those debts. glazer did, and he then shifted them onto the club. the club itself runs on a fantastic business model. they're probably the best run club in the world.

united spent a fair bit in the past, but they followed that up with sustained success and the pioneering of the commercial side of the game which turned the club into a profitable franchise. I don't know that any club can repeat what they did because the commercial side of the game is already here, there's no new ground to break and united (especially) are well-entrenched in the asian markets.

city are doing what chelsea did. spending big, assembling a powerful squad, and trying to get a seat at the big kid's table. you won't be a profitable team anytime soon (don't all proceeds from the COMS gate that are above the maine road capacity haveta go to the local council? I'm sure I read that somewhere) and will continue to spend the arab's money. I mean, it's not gonna run out anytime soon so you're not in any trouble, but don't try and pretend you're doing what united did, because it's rather different.

 

[Cal-FCB]

I really don't see how Chelsea will ever be sustainable tbh. Their wage bill is ridiculously high and they don't turn over anywhere near enough cash to become profitable. This may improve when they get rid of overpaid cack like Ballack but personally whenever Roman leaves I still don't think they'll have got it sorted. We'll have to wait and see what kind of model City put together, obviously their project is still very new so the big spending is to be expected.

 

[blueduck]

duckie, you're so precious. you remind me of chelsea fans when they first came into money. "oh we'll break even in 5 years!" etc.

Thanks. Our money wasn't lent to us like Chelsea's though. It was a gift to the club.

your owners are businessmen. they're also arabs so are obsessed with status (the whole reason they bought robinho in the first place, why they tried for kaka, why they were willing to pay €30m for eto'o when he'd be free in a year) and if robinho is unhappy in any way they will want to get rid of him on the best possible terms so he doesn't talk them down and damage their image.

You're right about their status.
Imagine how bad it would look if we gave Robinho away on the cheap. I don't think they would like that.

tevez has ATROCIOUS technique. his first touch ranges from good to awful, his dribbling is as erratic as his haircut, and his finishing is astoundingly inconsistent. he takes more air-shots and scuffs than any other striker I can think of. his inconsistency on the ball points to bad technique. ade and kompany have splendid technique, but they're also physical beasts. and that's their primary quality and what hughes likes. he's building a powerful side, just like mourinho did at chelsea. skill is a byproduct; if it's there, so be it, but that's not the first thing he looks for. no one he's signed is a really expressive open player (robinho was signed for him) and he's shackled ireland as he continues to evolve his vision of the team.

Just because we have a more physical team doesn't mean we aren't good to watch like you said before.
Ireland shone because he was our only goal threat through the middle last year and we played with a dm, now we have better forwards and we are playing a more attacking 4-4-2 so he needs to be more disciplined.
We've signed many attacking players and Hughes always tries to attack and attack even if we are a goal up. Very unlike Chelsea.

as for the video: hughes is not going to publically admit he wants robinho to fuck off 2 and a half months before it's possible for him to do so and rob himself of the workrate of a top-class player for that time period. I don't know that they dislike each other, I'm just going by the football city play and the team hughes has constructed (supposedly this was to be around robinho, but this isn't the case) which is much more inclined towards physicality than skill.

What proof do you have that Hughes doesn't rate Robinho? He's said he is a big part of the team and has played every time he's been fit under him.
Oh and just because he has a team with a high work rate doesn't mean we don't play with skill.

united are the epitome of the merchandising corporate thing that football has become, and that's not to be admired, but as a business they run at a profit. yeah, they have debts of 700m or whatever it is, but the club didn't incur those debts. glazer did, and he then shifted them onto the club. the club itself runs on a fantastic business model. they're probably the best run club in the world.

Well run or not, they are still in huge debt that could cripple them if they don't get into the CL one year.
Their previous owner Edwards has said he's worried about the way United are being run, and he knows all about running a football club.

united spent a fair bit in the past, but they followed that up with sustained success and the pioneering of the commercial side of the game which turned the club into a profitable franchise. I don't know that any club can repeat what they did because the commercial side of the game is already here, there's no new ground to break and united (especially) are well-entrenched in the asian markets.

Who's to say we can't do the same? If we did we wouldn't be "fake" right?

These asian armchair fans will quite happily change their team to whoever their favourite player plays for.

city are doing what chelsea did. spending big, assembling a powerful squad, and trying to get a seat at the big kid's table. you won't be a profitable team anytime soon (don't all proceeds from the COMS gate that are above the maine road capacity haveta go to the local council? I'm sure I read that somewhere) and will continue to spend the arab's money. I mean, it's not gonna run out anytime soon so you're not in any trouble, but don't try and pretend you're doing what united did, because it's rather different.

We don't give them any of the ticket money. We pay them a very small amount annually as they gave us COMS for free. We will be buying and redeveloping it at some point.
The only thing different between what is happening here and what happened at United, is the added zero's. But in relation to everyone else it's about the same.

uhhh, he forced his way out of santos

Robinho and their president are still quite close. He said he'd like to go back there when he's close to retiring.
So there isn't any hate as they knew he was going to leave for the right price as they could never keep him in a Brazilian league forever.

 

[desoe]

I think the problem here is not between Hughes and Robinho, even if they're best friends, it doesn't mean that Robinho would stop wanting to go to Barca.

Many sources are saying that it's his personal wish (and a pretty strong one), and even if we accept that it's a paper talk and it could be rubbish or not, we could not miss an argument or two. And the strongest one is that after all, Robinho is a brazilian and for every south american Spain and spanish football would fit better than England. Not just in terms of playing style, but it's also about lifestyle - climate, weather, culture and things like that. And in this case he's not wanted by just "some spanish team", he's wanted by the champions of Europe, the most attractive and entertaining team in the world atm. Tempting, huh?

So, what I wanted to say .. even if Robinho didn't say personally "I want to go to Barca", we could easily find one or two reasons why he'd want. And of course, not at last - don't forget the huge difference between Barca and City. In everything. Sorry bluedick, you know I'm speaking the truth.

And as about City's attitude about that, my personal feeling is that they'd never want to sell him, if we were talking about January 2009. Robinho was the first huge purchase of City and an year ago he was a true luxury at Eastlands. A player of which calibre this ground has not seen from much time ago, so it's easy to say that he was untouchable there. But now, after they bought Adebayor, Tevez, Roque and God knows who else will come, I think Robinho is not that flashy diamond anymore. He's not the guy everybody there is talking about, he's just in one team with Adebayor and Tevez. One of them, but not The One. So, it's not too hard to think that he's actually replaceable already. You sell Robinho, you buy Ribery. You sell this, you buy that. What's the difference for you ?

Remember that if someone hands a transfer request, desperately wanting to go somewhere, the history barely remembers a case when it's not being granted. It's the best solution for both sides.

 

[emoshanal830]

robinho shld be our last option.....if we fail to get players like silva,dzeko,mata and etc.....then buy robinho.....otherwise no...buying him wld be better than buying nobody(at least)...otherwise we shld move for other players first.....and seriously i prefer Bojan ....and perdro playing for us.....maybe perdro doesnt play as attractive as robinho does...but he still wins us games...and tats very important....coz without him our season cld have been totally different....and tats sth everyone shld acknowledge and give heed to....

 

[blueduck]

i cnt take u srsly..... wudn't robinho win games 2.......?

 

[emoshanal830]

he cant score screamers like Perdo ....Sure he can win games....but when he is totally stopped and marked like Against ManU ....he;s as good as a spectator.....Almost same with Pedro in our recent matches but then out of nowhere pedro scores a goal....the final whistle blows...we win the game....and 3 more points to our lead....u shld get the idea...if u follow FCB matches....Robinho is talented .....but he cant perform miracles like our pedro...we dont need jus another good player.(coz we already have magnificent players) ....we need players who offer us sth extra.......otherwise if we want to go for just another talented players there a lots of them in the world today...and people are easliy learning how to stop them as time goes by

 

[sammy]

Hey?? what's up with the writing?? plz wrt in modest way so ppl can undrstand wat u r saying....

 

[blueduck]

pedro scored 1 gd goal. robinho scorz gd goals all da time.

 

[emoshanal830]

Jus learn how to read in the international way...

 

[blueduck]

....more lyke da spaz way....

 

[emoshanal830]

pedro scored 1 gd goal. robinho scorz gd goals all da time.

Pedro won us the UEfA super cup..he also won us points in the league ...when a miracle was needed he always deliver....Robinho scores many gd goals when it isnt necessary...robinho sleeps in big games...He was great wit RM...but after the City move.....the only way for him is down the hill.... im saying we dont need him....blueduck u shld undastand tat no one is saying he isnt good....everyone knoes he is brilliant....but FCB is already brilliant itself....It wld be a waste if we bght him....as our young players already have wat we need

 

[ibro]

Robinho is the last player i want in barcelona. Really dispise him. And his smile can not make me change my mind...