Robinho

[Beast]

Yes, but they tried to sign Kaka in the first window after he was signed, which shows they didn't lie to him when they promised to try and get in world class players.

No doubt those plans have been put on hold, partly due to Hughes saying he only wants players with PL experience and partly due to knowing that if we get into the top four everything will become a lot easier.

How has he gone 2 years without winning anything? We are in the semi finals of the Carling Cup and have it all to play for in the FA Cup too.

Oh and Tevez would get into a lot of the top teams in Europe.

If he moved to win the Carling cup you are still a long way to go before understanding what the "World class " players & "wanna be world class " players think about
same for the FA cup , Robinho comes from a culture that follow the liga & Serie A .. two top leagues that gives no importance to the cup games and leave them to small teams .

Kaka move (i loved Meta analysis ) was a wake up call a sort of of "know who you are and where are you heading "

Tevez is a hard worker , the sort of player the Bernabeu would love instantly .. but he is hardly what you call a star player .
at the end after 3 transfer windows you improved but it was like a team formed of the "best of EPL supporting cast " .. you are a notch above Spurs but below the top teams .
the squad you have don't have a leader (giving to Given is another mistake by sparky ) .. you needed a Franco Zola figure , some older very talented guy /achieved all who your players would look up too .. 5 years ago i would have advised you to go for Rivaldo or Hierro
Sylvinho is a great player but he isn't as influential as a leader .. i see you going for Dinho if you want something like this cause Robinho is now thinking "wtf was i thinking "

 

[blueduck]

Er just because Italy or Spain don't care about their cups doesn't mean we do or should. Wenger or Rafa may not take it seriously but the rest of us do. United care about it too, that is until they get knocked out .

The FA Cup is the oldest football competition in the world and has a history dwarfing all of the Spanish and Italian cups.

The Carling Cup is also important to many clubs, granted not as much as the FA Cup, but it is still a trophy which is by no means easy to win.

Since when was Zola ever a leader? We have Vieira now, he's been there and done it.

 

[Cule Angles]

yeah been there done it and fallen apart unfortunately.

 

[barca7788]

Robinho comes from a culture that follow the liga & Serie A .. two top leagues that gives no importance to the cup games and leave them to small teams .

smart BEAST

 

[Beast]

Er just because Italy or Spain don't care about their cups doesn't mean we do or should. Wenger or Rafa may not take it seriously but the rest of us do. United care about it too, that is until they get knocked out .

The FA Cup is the oldest football competition in the world and has a history dwarfing all of the Spanish and Italian cups.

The Carling Cup is also important to many clubs, granted not as much as the FA Cup, but it is still a trophy which is by no means easy to win.

Since when was Zola ever a leader? We have Vieira now, he's been there and done it.

Vieira haven't been a marquee player for over 5 years now .. you might as well buy Rivaldo if that's case.

I'm sorry but most people call the Carling cup Mickey Mouse cup... it's something for you but for a player like Robinho coming from Santos & Real Madrid it's nothing

 

[Beast]

smart BEAST

 

[Cule Angles]

x 25

 

[blueduck]

Vieira haven't been a marquee player for over 5 years now .. you might as well buy Rivaldo if that's case.

I'm sorry but most people call the Carling cup Mickey Mouse cup... it's something for you but for a player like Robinho coming from Santos & Real Madrid it's nothing

Who says Vieira was a marquee signing? I thought we were talking about leaders?

The top 4 teams may not consider the CC important (unless they get to the semi's or your arsewipe wenger), but to the rest we all work damn hard to win it. To see the passion for it just look what it meant to Villa and Blackburn.

You seem to think your Robinho's spokesman who knows everything about him. You also say he really hates it here, yet he has a smile on his face most of the time and has lately been trying hard and showing passion. Even when he scored today he ran into our fans to celebrate.

 

[Metaphysical]

Er just because Italy or Spain don't care about their cups doesn't mean we do or should. Wenger or Rafa may not take it seriously but the rest of us do. United care about it too, that is until they get knocked out .

The FA Cup is the oldest football competition in the world and has a history dwarfing all of the Spanish and Italian cups.

The Carling Cup is also important to many clubs, granted not as much as the FA Cup, but it is still a trophy which is by no means easy to win.

Since when was Zola ever a leader? We have Vieira now, he's been there and done it.

so has sylvinho, but neither he or vieira is gonna play regularly. they will deffo help in the locker room (well, if they're given the authority).

but you misunderstand what beast means.

zola was a leader footballistically. he was a reference point on the pitch and was a big personality in the dressing room. you have not done this with robinho (well, you did last season which is why he was somewhat happy then).

added to that, zola was a big name who had done it. chelsea's 90's success all followed that pattern, where glen hoddle enticed ruud gullit who enticed zola, vialli and other big names to join. you have no one like that - robinho was an emerging talent when you got him, a great player yes, but he'd not yet accomplished anything.

yes, you've got vieira now, but he's spent too long at inter fading away, and he won't be a reference point on the pitch coz he won't play regularly. ditto sylvinho. someone like kaka or ronaldinho would have been huge and done that job, but they rejected you. hell, the only reason robinho joined was because he was desperate to get out of real madrid.

 

[barca7788]

tbh i really wished to get him on loan spell with city paying his half salary.
its not even late to swap him with henry.

 

[Super Pippo]

The top 4 teams may not consider the CC important (unless they get to the semi's or your arsewipe wenger), but to the rest we all work damn hard to win it. To see the passion for it just look what it meant to Villa and Blackburn.

Thats not the point, would Kaka' for example care if he had either of those titles on his CV? No. Top players want top titles, not cups that you have just admitted don't matter to the top clubs, even in England.

 

[Metaphysical]

Thats not the point, would Kaka' for example care if he had either of those titles on his CV? No. Top players want top titles, not cups that you have just admitted don't matter to the top clubs, even in England.

I think, to be fair, kaka would like the FA cup. anyone would like the FA cup. it has a reputation unlike other cups.

the carling cup, however, is only useful to win because it's a trophy, if you see what I mean. in fact the way it's treated is how other countries treat their normal cups. if you get to the SF, then yeah, you take it seriously because it's a trophy and winning a trophy is good, but unless you're there... meh.

 

[Super Pippo]

He wouldn't Meta, I saw him in Copa ties for Milan and he wasn't interested. And he's not quite as mercenary as many of the top players. Top players want a shot at league titles, CL and International trophy.

 

[Beast]

Who says Vieira was a marquee signing? I thought we were talking about leaders?

The top 4 teams may not consider the CC important (unless they get to the semi's or your arsewipe wenger), but to the rest we all work damn hard to win it. To see the passion for it just look what it meant to Villa and Blackburn.

You seem to think your Robinho's spokesman who knows everything about him. You also say he really hates it here, yet he has a smile on his face most of the time and has lately been trying hard and showing passion. Even when he scored today he ran into our fans to celebrate.

Vieira spent the last 4 years drinking the best of Milano wine.. that's as far as his football goes .
Meta replied well to what i mean regarding the leader

And look who you compared yourself too with regards to the passion for the cup..Villa & Blackburn .. that' comes in the mentality part .. Cule's won't say we need to work hard like Depor or Villarreal .. they say we need to win the trophy from Madrid ..etc

I'm not Robinho spokesman but i know him more than you do considering he spent with us more time than you ..
don't be fooled by Robinho smile , he is smiling every time he think of the trip he makes to the bank to cash his cheques
...have you ever saw any anger on his face ? he don't know how

I guess he loves Citeh so much he spent the last 6 month trying to move to Barca and now lowered his ambition to Santos

 

[blueduck]

so has sylvinho, but neither he or vieira is gonna play regularly. they will deffo help in the locker room (well, if they're given the authority).

but you misunderstand what beast means.

zola was a leader footballistically. he was a reference point on the pitch and was a big personality in the dressing room. you have not done this with robinho (well, you did last season which is why he was somewhat happy then).

added to that, zola was a big name who had done it. chelsea's 90's success all followed that pattern, where glen hoddle enticed ruud gullit who enticed zola, vialli and other big names to join. you have no one like that - robinho was an emerging talent when you got him, a great player yes, but he'd not yet accomplished anything.

yes, you've got vieira now, but he's spent too long at inter fading away, and he won't be a reference point on the pitch coz he won't play regularly. ditto sylvinho. someone like kaka or ronaldinho would have been huge and done that job, but they rejected you. hell, the only reason robinho joined was because he was desperate to get out of real madrid.

If we get in the top 4 all these issues will be solved anyway.

I'd say Tevez & Bellamy are the players everything goes through now, we've been playing with more than half our team out and we're on our best run of the season without them.