Ronald Koeman

[khaled_a_d]

He made what many of us wanted and added extra midfielder, moving FDJ to CM and Araujo (not Pique) as CB.
AIt back clashed because Zidane prepared themselves well, never tried to win midfield battle and set deep enough to make Dembele completely useless, basically making Messi isolated from any options.
All while inviting us to play with high line and use their speed to punish us.
He read the game too late, and by the time we made any reaction RM has already scored. We didn't have the option to push our defense back.

In second half we reacted, showed some Grinta and we were close from equalizing (they needed some referee help too)


It was small details that decided the game, and relatively he was outclassed by Ziziou, but overall I am satisfied with the team and the effort.

Edit: That said, regarding the discussion of whether he should stays or not, it highly depends on what the squad is going to look like next year and if we are prioritizing the rebuild or winning.
If Messi stays, and we add world class attacker like Halaand, then I see the urgence to get a better manager, but if Messi leaves and our best addition is Fati coming back, then let him do his thing.
There is also the question of who is the replacement, which another long discussion.

 

[serghei]

But what if "his thing" ain't that good? Then we get in a loop of wasting time and before you know it years pass by with minimal progress. I think it's the opposite, if he gets top-class players it's easier to achieve success and titles, much like Lucho, EV did it, without being really top managers. To rebuild a team without splashing big bucks on 100m. players, that takes real skill and, I think, more than what Koeman can give in terms of management.

 

[malvolio]

We are wasting another year with him in charge. We're going nowhere and just delaying the inevitable.

 

[El Gato]

Spot on, their 4-3-3 countered our 3-5-2 perfectly. It works when you play against the likes of Betis but against the top teams it gets found out real fast. I mean, I can't remember a team who employed such tactics being successful for long. Just Chelsea under Conte and that for a year and they flopped big time in the CL.

Madrid didn't play an orthodox 4-3-3 at any point until Asensio came on. Fede was RCAM dropping to wingback. Vini LF. No pairs of any sort

 

[khaled_a_d]

But what if "his thing" ain't that good? Then we get in a loop of wasting time and before you know it years pass by with minimal progress. I think it's the opposite, if he gets top-class players it's easier to achieve success and titles, much like Lucho, EV did it, without being really top managers. To rebuild a team without splashing big bucks on 100m. players, that takes real skill and, I think, more than what Koeman can give in terms of management.

His thing is youth movement, getting rid of many of the older guys and moving B-team players in.

If no Messi, no Haland, we aren't winning shit next year anyway. Let Koemann take the heat for the rebuild and cleaning the house and bring a new guy in 2022 to start fresh with youth players who are filtered through 2 years transition period.

 

[Barcaman]

His thing is youth movement, getting rid of many of the older guys and moving B-team players in.

If no Messi, no Haland, we aren't winning shit next year anyway. Let Koemann take the heat for the rebuild and cleaning the house and bring a new guy in 2022 to start fresh with youth players who are filtered through 2 years transition period.

What do you mean we're not winning anything? We're in Copa Final now and not out of title race even after this unfortunate loss. Nevermind next year.

 

[serghei]

His thing is youth movement, getting rid of many of the older guys and moving B-team players in.

If no Messi, no Haland, we aren't winning shit next year anyway. Let Koemann take the heat for the rebuild and cleaning the house and bring a new guy in 2022 to start fresh with youth players who are filtered through 2 years transition period.

Yes, I can agree with that. Sounds sensible.

 

[Richard.H]

His thing is youth movement, getting rid of many of the older guys and moving B-team players in.

If no Messi, no Haland, we aren't winning shit next year anyway. Let Koemann take the heat for the rebuild and cleaning the house and bring a new guy in 2022 to start fresh with youth players who are filtered through 2 years transition period.

Well put

 

[khaled_a_d]

What do you mean we're not winning anything? We're in Copa Final now and not out of title race even after this unfortunate loss. Nevermind next year.

You think we can Liga next year without Messi and without big signing to replace him?
If yes, then I applaud you for your positivity.

 

[Sorin]

Madrid didn't play an orthodox 4-3-3 at any point until Asensio came on. Fede was RCAM dropping to wingback. Vini LF. No pairs of any sort

It was a hybrid between 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. Valverde wasn't your usual winger that's true, but when in posession he stretched out the pitch by hugging the touchline, going up behind Alba, same with Vincious on the other side. By possession I mean counters as you let us have the ball.

We, on the other hand remained static the whole half, 3 at the back to take care of 1 striker that likes to drop back, wingbacks that had to stretch the pitch, defend, attack and anything in between, and Dembele stuck in his worst nightmare against a team that sits deep.

Koeman basically wasted the whole half when it was obvious that what he tried wasn't working. He changed at half time and the match became more balanced.

 

[serghei]

It was a hybrid between 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. Valverde wasn't your usual winger that's true, but when in posession he stretched out the pitch by hugging the touchline, going up behind Alba, same with Vincious on the other side. By possession I mean counters as you let us have the ball.

We, on the other hand remained static the whole half, 3 at the back to take care of 1 striker that likes to drop back, wingbacks that had to stretch the pitch, defend, attack and anything in between, and Dembele stuck in his worst nightmare against a team that sits deep.

Koeman basically wasted the whole half when it was obvious that what he tried wasn't working. He changed at half time and the match became more balanced.

Yep, not to mention that when your wing players are the fullbacks and only them, there is nothing really that keeps the other teams' fullback from going up a lot. Vazquez had a great match before his injury.

 

[jairzinho]

I think we should wait to see how this season finishes before determining whether he stays or leave. Today was a huge setback but it's very possible to still win the league. The least we can do now is try to finish the season strong and go all out to win the copa. Then we'll see what happens next year. The fact that we're even in the title race alone is an accomplishment that not many were expecting. I like how he has managed to have the team challenging domestically while putting faith in the young players but of course losing both Clasicos is always unacceptable. Personally i'm in favour of him continuing for another year but i think at the end of the season we should get a better picture of whether he should continue or not.

 

[Rassvet]

His thing is youth movement, getting rid of many of the older guys and moving B-team players in.

If no Messi, no Haland, we aren't winning shit next year anyway. Let Koemann take the heat for the rebuild and cleaning the house and bring a new guy in 2022 to start fresh with youth players who are filtered through 2 years transition period.

Koeman here reminds me a bit of LVG at United. Expectations are unusually low and he's brought through some young players, but I dont see either as the manager to take the team back to the very top.

 

[DonAK]

The game vs. Atletico will probably decide his future here.

Cannot lose both games vs. Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid in the league.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

First of all we have to win next week. Would be devastating to lose the Copa final at this point.