Ronald Koeman

[Bobo32]

Can someone explain this to me.. U sub dembele in to play at right wing.. 2 minutes later u sub trincao in to play in the right wing and dembele moves to the left!!!!! This means to my humble intelligence that u have no design in mind prior to making substitutions other than substitutions sake!! Minimum required is for u to have an idea where the substitutions will play in the fucking pitch and why!!

This is something he has done all season, shifting stuff around with the next sub 5 minutes later.
Never worked, and I was always skeptical about it.

The 1-2 goal was a bit of a fluke in that it happens 1/100 that a team manages to attack so perfectly. But if Barcelona is to blame for something there it is the positioning of and synchronization between the CB:s, and Koeman should maybe take some blame for that, changing from 3atb to 4atb in the middle of the game, and playing Umtiti out of nowhere.

 

[mc_lovin]

No, fast ball circulation is needed against any form of defense. You need movement and quick passing both to ditch pressing setups, and to dispatch deep blocks to create spaces between the lines.

You are non stop spewing empty platitudes.

To the game: yeah, sucks. But we all knew the squad had its limitations. Happy we made the League title possible though. We will see how it ends.

 

[Birdy]

Ball circulation was not fine. I think this was super-EV game, I'd be surprised if Roberto didn't registered the most touches, like in peak EV days, where the fullbacks played the most passes in nearly every game due to poor central progression (classic Busi - Rakitic - Vidal ).

Busi - Moriba - De Jong was a sort of Koeman-version EV midfield "chemistry".

OK,
You 'think'
but you have to prove what you say.
I say the circulation was fine until outside the box. We could always reach that area both in the 1st and 2nd half.
Show me any footage that proves the opposite

PS: Agree about Roberto, totally different aspect.
Roberto's presence hindered other departments like penetration from the wing

 

[Messigician]

'split a defense' LOL
Show me that stat, I am sure you messed up the definition of a 'key pass'

Pjanic even at Juve was never 'spiting defenses'. These are the passes Busi is playing
The only pass that Pjanic can play, and Busi is not playing, is long over the top pass that is completely useless against a deep parked bus

U full of shit

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/

Pjanic 2016 stats world class

 

[JamDav1982]

Ball circulation was not fine. I think this was a game from the Valverde days, I'd be surprised if Roberto didn't register the most touches, like in peak EV days, where the fullbacks played the most passes in nearly every game due to poor central progression (classic Busi - Rakitic - Vidal ).

Busi - Moriba - De Jong was a sort of Koeman-version EV midfield "chemistry".

When you have a poor midfield movement and passing, the by-product of that is a dramatic increase in the number of fullback touches.

Moriba should have had about 200% more touches than he did tonight. At a minimum.

That was not the issue and all you are trying to do is angle toward some Puig argument.

The same player that has been shite in midfield on three of his four starts against worse teams. When Barca struggled to pass ball and 'circulate' it.

FDJ and Ilaix were not the issue it was tactics.

 

[Bobo32]

Ball circulation was not fine. I think this was a game from the Valverde days, I'd be surprised if Roberto didn't register the most touches, like in peak EV days, where the fullbacks played the most passes in nearly every game due to poor central progression (classic Busi - Rakitic - Vidal ).

Busi - Moriba - De Jong was a sort of Koeman-version EV midfield "chemistry".

This has been the case with this system a lot, WBs must've had the most touches if not CBs...
Ball has been progressed from flank to flank through the CB:s, and both the WB:s and the midfield+strikers most of the time only have the back pass available. It is in this system.
There are positives in the system, and when control is lost and the ball get's free, Barcelona have been able to create chances anyway, but the ordered play has been very stale with this 5atb.

 

[Porque]

Definitely with Sergei on the point of the ball circulation though. Puig may not end anything better than a lower-mid level LaLiga player, but it is clear as day that when we are lethargic and slow that he is the player we should use right now to build the tempo. Remember Xavi in 2014/2015, he was great in that role when you needed a change in tempo.

Ilaix has his role, he would be great arriving from a midfield where we attack more directly, so probably in 433 and with a pacy option upfront.

 

[serghei]

If you look at Dest's number of touches normally, compared with Roberto's touches, it's quite astonishing how more often the ball is released to Roberto without any positional advantage. It's complete shit. It's as if we believe Roberto has the playmaking ability to construct attacks from poor positions. As if he's a reference in our attack.

Stop giving him the ball. He'll always be semi-open because he's not a threat on the ball lol. He's slow, can't dribble for shit.

 

[JamDav1982]

Definitely with Sergei on the point of the ball circulation though. Puig may not end anything better than a lower-mid level LaLiga player, but it is clear as day that when we are lethargic and slow that he is the player we should use right now to build the tempo. Remember Xavi in 2014/2015, he was great in that role when you needed a change in tempo.

Ilaix has his role, he would be great arriving from a midfield where we attack more directly, so probably in 433 and with a pacy option upfront.

Three CBs sitting behind the ball and none of them good enough on ball or mobile enough to step into midfield.

Those three often joined by Busquets dropping deep to make it a four when Granada didnt even attempt to close them and sat deep and narrow.

What can expect two more advanced midfielders and Messi/Griezmann to do when it is more or less then four of them vs 9/10 players sitting deep?

Only out ball was the full backs and back to Busi other than trying to force low % moves when drasically outnumbered.

Puig would not have made a difference.

The issue was outnumbered in middle of park and too many players on outside of game whether it be the three CBs and Busi or the two full backs.

 

[Birdy]

U full of shit

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/

Pjanic 2016 stats world class

Where is the stat that proves anything from what you said?

 

[Birdy]

The issue was outnumbered in middle of park and too many players on outside of game whether it be the three CBs and Busi or the two full backs.

This!

Another game that proves we should always go with 4 at the back (full-backs overlapping) against these deep blocks

and of course fullbacks that can attack-> Hence Dest and not semi-footballer Roberto

 

[serghei]

You guys know there can be more than one problem right? So, it's not about THE problem, but problems, plural.

 

[JamDav1982]

You guys know there can be more than one problem right? So, it's not about THE problem, but problems, plural.

That was THE biggest problem and not one an inferior player in Puig solves.

Classic example of a player who gets better in folks minds the less he actually plays.

 

[Total-Football]

If you look at Dest's number of touches normally, compared with Roberto's touches, it's quite astonishing how more often the ball is released to Roberto without any positional advantage. It's complete shit. It's as if we believe Roberto has the playmaking ability to construct attacks from poor positions. As if he's a reference in our attack.

Stop giving him the ball. He'll always be semi-open because he's not a threat on the ball lol. He's slow, can't dribble for shit.

It's the amigo-ball. Passing the ball around in the most sterile fashion because that way our senior amigos do not have to run and get their seniority exposed. Pass pass pass pass... They were not happy with valverde for no valid reason. To establish this amigo-ball sterile players like Roberto are important.

 

[Valdario]

I hope he learned his lesson today and told Roberto he's not gonna start a game anymore in his lifetime.