Sergio Busquets

vuji_31

Senior Member
Man If he has balls to sign that deal, or if this idiots in board will offer anymore that they are giving Bellerin now, we are fu*** up.

20mil per season for worst player year after year...

And then you have idiot Xavi who is insisting on his renewing.

Xavi, xavi...you will cost us big, with your delusion.
 

ajnotkeith

Senior Member
Is this the one game ever where you could see that trend?

Busquets is needed to be the spark in this team, since the AMs and the wingers offer NO creativity, and also lack A LOT in their off the ball movement. Some game maybe he falls under 80%, but was he ever close to 75% over a few games? Was Dembele ever close to being over 75% for a few games?

lol@making a lot of analysis because of a shitty cup game against "intercity"

Busquets this season across all club and World Cup games has 0 big chances created. Not joking.

That's great that he pads his pass completion stats with simple passes in his own half but let's be real. He is not creating shit and isn't a 'creative spark'.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
Busquets this season across all club and World Cup games has 0 big chances created. Not joking.

That's great that he pads his pass completion stats with simple passes in his own half but let's be real. He is not creating shit and isn't a 'creative spark'.

lol@easy pases in his own half
You watch the games, right?
He is the spark, last year or something he regularly made insane assists from his own half, through three lines of opponents, it was INSANE, this year maybe he doesn't do that as much, but he is the one who tries to break the opponents press with daring passes all the time, nobody else does that. Dembele is dribbling and trying in his own way from the flank, but the only truly creative player of this team is Busquets. Any time he gets the ball, he will look for the breaking pass and attempt it if he thinks he can make it. Pedri and Gavi are circulating, circulating, not even bothering to check if there is a potential advancing solution, and Dembele and the likes will just do whatever.

"Key passes" is defined as passes leading to a shot, it is self explanatory that a dmc won't have as many of those as those playing far in front. "Big chances created" is similar, but he is indirectly behind most of Barcelonas chances still.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
No team has performed close to 2011 Barcelona in the 12 years since.

Sure, you could break it all apart, try something completely different, to try to imitate the team of the day (playing at 50% of 2011 Barcelona for short spurts of time and then getting back to being entirely mediocre) but trying to imitate those will lead to results that will be decent at best for a while, and then back to very mediocre (worse than lately)

Busquets is one player who still has some understanding and class, you could still build around him. If you don't want to, then OK, but he is still a legend, the best to ever do it, and he was key to a majority of this clubs CL wins (and a big part of league wins as well) so if you are "a fan" then you shouldn't show disrespect.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Then let's move Busquets to central midfield and let a defensive minded DMC cover him so that he can create things i the offensive side for us. He is practically in this zone for turnovers anyways.

I recall this was tried in the Xaviesta days for maybe a game or two where he was well below their level understandable, but the whole squad is way worse than that era now. And I think he is now more comfortable to probe in the offensive areas.

Yes this post is half joking, but for the other half that isn't. What if?
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
Is this the one game ever where you could see that trend?

Busquets is needed to be the spark in this team, since the AMs and the wingers offer NO creativity, and also lack A LOT in their off the ball movement. Some game maybe he falls under 80%, but was he ever close to 75% over a few games? Was Dembele ever close to being over 75% for a few games?

lol@making a lot of analysis because of a shitty cup game against "intercity"

Wtf you talking about? Absolutely deluded and out of touch with reality. Dembele is literally at 84% in LL and 80% in CL this season, 84% and 86% in 21/22 and 20/21.

How do wingers offer no creativity if Dembele is our best chance creater? Torre also created a lot against Intercity. Busi cannot cope with play even in possession these days.
 
No team has performed close to 2011 Barcelona in the 12 years since.

Sure, you could break it all apart, try something completely different, to try to imitate the team of the day (playing at 50% of 2011 Barcelona for short spurts of time and then getting back to being entirely mediocre) but trying to imitate those will lead to results that will be decent at best for a while, and then back to very mediocre (worse than lately)

Busquets is one player who still has some understanding and class, you could still build around him. If you don't want to, then OK, but he is still a legend, the best to ever do it, and he was key to a majority of this clubs CL wins (and a big part of league wins as well) so if you are "a fan" then you shouldn't show disrespect.

He and Xavi are disrespecting... Yeah, he WAS one of the main players, and yeah he's done a lot for the Barca. BUT as a Legend you should know when to leave. HE AIN'T DOING IT NOW DAYS!
Legends are legends, but team needs fresh blood, new players, young pleyers and some passion! Bussi has no passion, he's old, slow and allready won everything.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
Then let's move Busquets to central midfield and let a defensive minded DMC cover him so that he can create things i the offensive side for us. He is practically in this zone for turnovers anyways.

I recall this was tried in the Xaviesta days for maybe a game or two where he was well below their level understandable, but the whole squad is way worse than that era now. And I think he is now more comfortable to probe in the offensive areas.

Yes this post is half joking, but for the other half that isn't. What if?

He could play up there, he already does sometimes in games. He can find the right solutions from there as well, but has a longer distance back when something (mostly Dembele) fails...
Yeah you could try that, and have a true destroyer behind him, and change the entire system and philosophy and so on. Something needs to change, I am aware.

Busquets would create more than Gavi and Pedri does, I am sure, but those two are a bit younger, and Busquets thrives more in the DMC spot, he plays perfectly there - no even better than perfect. He is a genius, and unfortunately can't get the right surroundings in Barcelona. In Spain NT it works pretty well still...
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
Wtf you talking about? Absolutely deluded and out of touch with reality. Dembele is literally at 84% in LL and 80% in CL this season, 84% and 86% in 21/22 and 20/21.

How do wingers offer no creativity if Dembele is our best chance creater? Torre also created a lot against Intercity. Busi cannot cope with play even in possession these days.

Doubt these numbers, link them.

Here are fbref numbers, 74% this season, 72.5% last season: https://fbref.com/en/players/b19db0...le-Stats---All-Competitions#all_stats_passing
Busquets worst season was 86.9%: https://fbref.com/en/players/5ab0ea...ts-Stats---All-Competitions#all_stats_passing
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
Doubt these numbers, link them.

Here are fbref numbers, 74% this season, 72.5% last season: https://fbref.com/en/players/b19db0...le-Stats---All-Competitions#all_stats_passing
Busquets worst season was 86.9%: https://fbref.com/en/players/5ab0ea...ts-Stats---All-Competitions#all_stats_passing

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299513/Show/Ousmane-Dembélé

Sofascore also has him at 84%: https://www.sofascore.com/player/ousmane-dembele/818244

I think the database you cited counts crosses, both high and low, as passes, which is idiotic. No shit wingers would struggle to have more than 80% accuracy in that case due to the nature of crossing, especially compared to lone DMs who are almost always central. Because of the positionality of wing players on the pitch, crossing is one of the only ways they can deliver the ball into the crowded box. It's a high volume, low accuracy trade by design.

Consider the case of a CM who spends a lot of time in the right half-space and attempts many crosses. In your database, De Bruyne has 73%, 75%, 75% and 74% passing accuracy in the last four seasons. In databases that exclude crosses from passing, he has 80%, 83%, 82% and 82%.
 

feggydinho

Senior Member
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299513/Show/Ousmane-Dembélé

Sofascore also has him at 84%: https://www.sofascore.com/player/ousmane-dembele/818244

I think the database you cited counts crosses, both high and low, as passes, which is idiotic. No shit wingers would struggle to have more than 80% accuracy in that case due to the nature of crossing, especially compared to lone DMs who are almost always central. Because of the positionality of wing players on the pitch, crossing is one of the only ways they can deliver the ball into the crowded box. It's a high volume, low accuracy trade by design.

Consider the case of a CM who spends a lot of time in the right half-space and attempts many crosses. In your database, De Bruyne has 73%, 75%, 75% and 74% passing accuracy in the last four seasons. In databases that exclude crosses from passing, he has 80%, 83%, 82% and 82%.

Just checked, and this is correct.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/299513/Show/Ousmane-Dembélé

Sofascore also has him at 84%: https://www.sofascore.com/player/ousmane-dembele/818244

I think the database you cited counts crosses, both high and low, as passes, which is idiotic. No shit wingers would struggle to have more than 80% accuracy in that case due to the nature of crossing, especially compared to lone DMs who are almost always central. Because of the positionality of wing players on the pitch, crossing is one of the only ways they can deliver the ball into the crowded box. It's a high volume, low accuracy trade by design.

Consider the case of a CM who spends a lot of time in the right half-space and attempts many crosses. In your database, De Bruyne has 73%, 75%, 75% and 74% passing accuracy in the last four seasons. In databases that exclude crosses from passing, he has 80%, 83%, 82% and 82%.

Sure, and no shit a player who has the tool box of 1. Dribble 2. Whip in a cross 3. Play the safest pass possible back to the RB/closest MF will have a decent passing percentage if you get rid of all the crosses.

On whoscored Busquets is on 89% and Dembele on 82% overall this season.
Sofascore have Busquets on 89% as well, with 48 accurate passes per game , 3.5 long balls (83%) and 3.8 (75%) acc chipped passes per game.
Dembele is on 84% with 26 accurate passes per game , 1.3 long balls (69%) and 0.5 (35%) acc chipped passes per game.

But it makes little sense to compare the two positions in this sense, as you say.
We all see that Busquets is the one making creative, line breaking passes into small spaces with the right timing, while Dembele is the one hoofing it towards the goal whether on a cross or a through ball in an attempt to make an assist but fails a lot.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
Starting against Atletico.

Thanks Xavi for making game even more boring and less likely to win with this fruad.
 

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