Thiago Translantara

[Messi983]

Its not a good news, those are bad signs.

No, they are not. We should made up our minds about signing Thiago or not based on what he's shown consistently over the years not off his WC performances. Being poor/average during WC shouldn't change our opinion about him to negative at all if we wanted to sign him before but it should keep his price down. If he'll have 2 or 3 great games in the WC then Bayern could demand 20 or 30M more than what they supposedly are now. That's why I always want our transfer targets to not play great in big tournaments. It's a good thing (from many aspects) that most of our currently known targets this summer are not even playing in Russia.

 

[Donatello]

No, they are not. We should made up our minds about signing Thiago or not based on what he's shown consistently over the years not off his WC performances. Being poor/average during WC shouldn't change our opinion about him to negative at all if we wanted to sign him before but it should keep his price down. If he'll have 2 or 3 great games in the WC then Bayern could demand 20 or 30M more than what they supposedly are now. That's why I always want our transfer targets to not play great in big tournaments. It's a good thing (from many aspects) that most of our currently known targets this summer are not even playing in Russia.

Thiago isn't that bad of a player. The reason why I'm against is because he isn't that great that many think he is & for the price we will be paying for him.

Naby keita cost £53 million to Liverpool, and he is a much better and younger player than Thiago. Its just plain stupidity to pay 70 Million for him.

He is nowhere near a 70 million player, even in this inflated market.

And, when the club is willing to sell, you play hardball and try to lower the price. Because, Bayern has already a lot of midfielders & they will have to sell someone.

 

[George_Costanza]

If you think passing sideways is such an asset, and sets the tempo of the game then why hate Gomes.. And Also he has around 90% pass completion rate that you're taking about.

There's a reason why we was the lowest rated player in spain NT against Morocco.

He plays with mediocre opponents in Bundesliga, who are way below in terms of quality in La Liga. This is what happens when he plays against top opponents (Morocco weren't even that). Not worth 70 million at all.

We definitely watched a different game! Also what rating? All rating sites gave him above average rating 7+. Who scored gave him 7.1 just below Isco and Iniesta who got 7.4. The independent featured an article about him after the game saying how good he is. I won't say he had the best game but he was good but saying he is the worse player, worse than Ramos, Pique, and Costa who all had very bad night is just not true and serve personal agenda.

 

[BBZ8800]

After we buy him, who are available targets for the next summer to be our next "midfield savior", because this guy surely won't be what people are expecting from him.

 

[Trickykid]

After we buy him, who are available targets for the next summer to be our next "midfield savior", because this guy surely won't be what people are expecting from him.

Out of curiosity, BBZ, do you still believe that Pogba would be the saviour and solution to our midfield voes?

 

[George_Costanza]

After we buy him, who are available targets for the next summer to be our next "midfield savior", because this guy surely won't be what people are expecting from him.

Yes, he is not a master race 2 meters+ height and physically more superior and muscular than prime steroid Arnold. Are you a fan of NFL or world Rugby seven? Cuz I swear they use similar analysis as yours.

 

[Messi983]

Thiago isn't that bad of a player. The reason why I'm against is because he isn't that great that many think he is & for the price we will be paying for him.

Naby keita cost £53 million to Liverpool, and he is a much better and younger player than Thiago. Its just plain stupidity to pay 70 Million for him.

He is nowhere near a 70 million player, even in this inflated market.

And, when the club is willing to sell, you play hardball and try to lower the price. Because, Bayern has already a lot of midfielders & they will have to sell someone.

You've missed my point. I was saying we should not making decisions about buying players based on how they'll play in Russia. With proven players like Thiago (and especially with him playing for a big club like Bayern) it's very unlikely his price would drop significantly just because he'd have a bad WC but on the other hand his asking price could increase a lot with a good tournament.

I've never said Thiago is a bad player and while I'm not as big fan of him as many people here and don't think he would be our saviour there is no question he would improve us as long as he can stay relatively healthy. I also think he's worth around 70M in this market. 70M nowadays is what 40M was before Neymar's transfer and I'm sure most people would pay 40M for Thiago a year or two ago without thinking twice. But fans opinion is irrelevant, real question here is how much Barça really rate him. Does the club think he's worth 70M or not? How much would alternatives (like Pjanić) cost? What can one and the other bring to the team etc. Many different questions that hopefully they already have answers for.

Bayern might have an overbooking in the midfield but it's still not a fact Thiago will be actually the one they'll sell. If they get a good offer for Vidal (with Ancelotti's Napoli apparently interested) or Javi Martinez they could decide to sell one/both of them and keep Thiago. And if they are open to sell we still shouldn't try to play hardball with them too much IF we really want Thiago. We are not the only interested club and they could easily sell to Madrid (with Lopetegui as their new coach I could see them being interested), City or another club if we piss them off with some low offers just because we think they have to sell under our conditions which is clearly not the case here.

 

[BBZ8800]

Out of curiosity, BBZ, do you still believe that Pogba would be the saviour and solution to our midfield voes?

If you want to copy Pep's 433 with light, short, technical players, Thiago is good.
But neither that style (as we have seen lately with Barca, Pep and a mighty Spain with 100 light midfielders) won't be too good, especially outside La liga.

If you want some 442 or some different 433, with different type of players, why not to Pogba?

Also, I am asking this question often, but I don't get too much replies.
Trickykid and GeorgeCostanza, if you were a coach, how would you play 433 in the next season?

A hint, please, please don't reply with some 433 without Suarez and Rakitic.
I will cry for the next 24 hours then.

Guys, please don't make me cry.
I love you .

 

[Donatello]

After we buy him, who are available targets for the next summer to be our next "midfield savior", because this guy surely won't be what people are expecting from him.

100% Agreed.

 

[Vilarrubi]

If you want to copy Pep's 433 with light, short, technical players, Thiago is good.
But neither that style (as we have seen lately with Barca, Pep and a mighty Spain with 100 light midfielders) won't be too good, especially outside La liga.

If you want some 442 or some different 433, with different type of players, why not to Pogba?

Also, I am asking this question often, but I don't get too much replies.
Trickykid and GeorgeCostanza, if you were a coach, how would you play 433 in the next season?

A hint, please, please don't reply with some 433 without Suarez and Rakitic.
I will cry for the next 24 hours then.

Guys, please don't make me cry.
I love you .

Our 4-3-3 since Peps hasn’t functioned anywhere near as well as that (which is obviously impossible) but Madrid’s midfield is closer to Peps midfield than we’ve had recently.

If you’re so sure on the 3 in midfield not working why has Madrid won 4 CLs in 5 years..... with 3 in midfield!! Ours just needs to function better.

 

[Gaudi]

Our 4-3-3 since Peps hasn’t functioned anywhere near as well as that (which is obviously impossible) but Madrid’s midfield is closer to Peps midfield than we’ve had recently.

If you’re so sure on the 3 in midfield not working why has Madrid won 4 CLs in 5 years..... with 3 in midfield!! Ours just needs to function better.

And yet they play fast, almost direct type of football for free space on the wings and cross after cross...yes, we could try that!

 

[Vilarrubi]

And yet they play fast, almost direct type of football for free space on the wings and cross after cross...yes, we could try that!

Never mentioned anything other than the midfield,, the movement and space they create with direct passing from Kroos and Modric is closer to Peps than what we have currently.

 

[BBZ8800]

Our 4-3-3 since Peps hasn’t functioned anywhere near as well as that (which is obviously impossible) but Madrid’s midfield is closer to Peps midfield than we’ve had recently.

If you’re so sure on the 3 in midfield not working why has Madrid won 4 CLs in 5 years..... with 3 in midfield!! Ours just needs to function better.

I think that I have wrote this 1000 times, but let's do it again.

Barca's midfielders are short, physically weak and usually slow.
Kroos and Casemiro are tall, strong and technical.
We don't have that.
Modric and Casemiro are faster than our guys also.
We don't have that.
Casemiro is a thug.
We don't have that.
We have only schoolboys.
Plus, add a mental strength and leadership of Kroos, Modric... and Thiago.

So, Barca is looking for only technique.
While Real has both technique, more height, more muscles, more pace, more aggression, mental strength and leadership.

Further, their attack can score from possession, counters, crosses, corners and longshots.
We can't score from crosses, counters and corners.

So, no, Real is NOT winning Cls because of players of Thiago's type.

Still no one replied: please write your 433 lineup with Thiago.

 

[Raki13]

I think that I have wrote this 1000 times, but let's do it again.

Barca's midfielders are short, physically weak and usually slow.
Kroos and Casemiro are tall, strong and technical.
We don't have that.
Modric and Casemiro are faster than our guys also.
We don't have that.
Casemiro is a thug.
We don't have that.
We have only schoolboys.
Plus, add a mental strength and leadership of Kroos, Modric... and Thiago.

So, Barca is looking for only technique.
While Real has both technique, more height, more muscles, more pace, more aggression, mental strength and leadership.

Further, their attack can score from possession, counters, crosses, corners and longshots.
We can't score from crosses, counters and corners.

So, no, Real is NOT winning Cls because of players of Thiago's type.

Still no one replied: please write your 433 lineup with Thiago.

Nothing to do with being tall and strong , Iniesta and Xavi were the best there ever has been in the game.

 

[vlad]

Barca even at their best period under pep wasnt good in CL as this madrid side, 2 cl in 4 years and easiest was 2011 where barca didnt faced strong defensive sides, 2009 not so much, barca could play only possession football and when opponents were puting strong block, barca was without ideas, couldnt score from set pieces, didnt counter attack, and players were geting bullied and barca didnt have answer

Now for some of you dream midfield is without rakitic, with thiago, busi, alena and that guy arthur, basically you want to see simething similar like under pep, but that guys are not near xavi and iniesta level, and with best midfield duo and messi at his peak, barca didnt had answer for strong defensive side, so if you want to dominate in la liga vs low teams all that with beautiful gameplay, yes, with such midfield that could be possibble, but then comes CL and barca will struggle to reach quarters if they will not have lucky draw.

Winning formula for CL is strenght in midfield mixed with great technicall skills, only technical midfield will not take you far