Thiago Translantara

[ebc_99]

Pep kept on saying "we can fit all midfielders, everyone will get playing time" right after we signed Cesc two years ago. Pep wanted to play 3-4-3 and figuerd he can rotate the midfielders around and told Thiago and Managment that he'll get his chance. Thiago's father was smart enough to make Pep's word count and had him put it in writing. Now Pep is gone, Tito screwed up BIG TIME and we now lose a player loved by all Barca fans and too bad for Managment we are losing him for cheap. SO WHO's FAULT IS IT?

* Pep left and could care less just like he signed Ibra for a ton of money and let him go later.
* Tito takes alot of the blame for badly managing the team. If they say he was sick and all, I say Tito should have left. But Barca had no other plans.
* Love Thiago, him waiting around doesn't make much sense to me when he's BETTER than Cesc. Cesc better shine this year or the hate against him will go up through the roof!!!
* Tito is gone after this year and I am 99% sure of that. This is a transition year and don't count on many trophies as Neymar will adjust to our style.
* We all gonna remember this moment when we let go our best future star. This is really bad for Barca.

* I agree that Pep should take some of the blame as he was the manager when that contract of Thiago's was written and he signed Fabregas
* I don't blame Tito as much as Pep, maybe he could have played Thiago more but if he thought Cesc was the better option then that is his right, nor should he feel forced to play Thiago because of the clause.
* I don't think Thiago is better than Cesc, nor does Del Bosque or Pep or Tito. Thiago is a bit overrated here as he is homegrown and did not leave like Fabregas. But now he is leaving and it is a bigger mistake from him than Barca. If the management is smart they can still spend the money wisely and be much better off than last year.
* I don't think Tito will go, he was a huge success in his rookie season especially considering his illness. He will learn from his mistaked and improve as all top managers do. Look at Dortmund in Europe last year they finished bottom of the group because Klopp was knew to it but he learned from his failures and improved for the next season Tito will too.
* Nobody is letting him go, they are leaving it up to him which is the best thing for the club, no point keeping an unhappy player. I don't think he is the brightest star either their are others who have at least as much potential.

I think the only mistake was putting that clause in in the first place which was not Tito's fault, if anything it was Pep's as he was manager at the time and should have blocked such a clause, which will probably happen from now on when drawing up contracts which is a good thing.

 

[Meitux]

* I agree that Pep should take some of the blame as he was the manager when that contract of Thiago's was written and he signed Fabregas
* I don't blame Tito as much as Pep, maybe he could have played Thiago more but if he thought Cesc was the better option then that is his right, nor should he feel forced to play Thiago because of the clause.
* I don't think Thiago is better than Cesc, nor does Del Bosque or Pep or Tito. Thiago is a bit overrated here as he is homegrown and did not leave like Fabregas. But now he is leaving and it is a bigger mistake from him than Barca. If the management is smart they can still spend the money wisely and be much better off than last year.
* I don't think Tito will go, he was a huge success in his rookie season especially considering his illness. He will learn from his mistaked and improve as all top managers do. Look at Dortmund in Europe last year they finished bottom of the group because Klopp was knew to it but he learned from his failures and improved for the next season Tito will too.
* Nobody is letting him go, they are leaving it up to him which is the best thing for the club, no point keeping an unhappy player. I don't think he is the brightest star either their are others who have at least as much potential.

I think the only mistake was putting that clause in in the first place which was not Tito's fault, if anything it was Pep's as he was manager at the time and should have blocked such a clause, which will probably happen from now on when drawing up contracts which is a good thing.

After reading all this i have to say,the fact is that Klopp is a real coach and Tito isnt,he was brought there because he knows how the team played under Pep inside-out,i dont think he has some other tactics or ideas of his own

 

[Keikoku]

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Actually I think on this situation is noone or side to be blame.

Pep = Was the coach at the time contract signed (2011), the next season Thiago played a fair amount of games that can be said satisfied him so no rumor about he want to leave. Clearly we can say Thiago is or was on Pep's plan. He isn't here anymore but who could guess or predict this gonna happen?

Club = Renew contract as the coach want him on his plan, but why with the ridiculous considerable low release clause? Maybe Thiago dad and agent want to protect and secure his future that they can decide themself if the thing isn't going as they want it to be.

Thiago = Want to play more regular. Logic, because he isn't Kaka who love the bench than the pitch . I mean, it's normal a young player want to go play regular, pursue his dream to be success.

Tito = He isn't rate Thiago as important player (or maybe not yet), then player think he good enough and want to leave. Not a big deal, as Thiago isn't too important to him. The way Tito rate Thiago is "Nice to have a player like you here, but I'm not that desperate need you here".

IMO

 

[Kev78]

Is there any chance that he'd go to ManUtd on loan (to get more playing-time), or is a transfer the only thing Thiago is interested in?

Manchester United wouldn't be interested in loaning him.

Move this topic to other players thread.
Hope Tito gets the sack soon, Rosell, well we're stuck with that fool until 2016.
And Thiago he's dead to me, don't care less what he does in Man U, couldn't careless if he makes La Roja squad.

How bitter? Do you expect him to waste his career on the bench?

What message did signing cesq send to him?

Xavi and iniesta could play in la liga until they are 50.

 

[Ghost]

Thiago is the next Figo, only worse.

I really hope this is sarcasm..

 

[Boris]

I'd seriously bench Xavi, and play him maybe in 35-40% of the games. The rest would all be Thiago's. We should think about the future.

Ofc this scenario will never happen, esp. when a legend like Xavi expect's to play his last WC.

 

[Wouterinho]

I don't get some of the previous posts, doens't the article say that the buy-out clause just doesn't count for international transfers?

"The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant. Except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate."

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't get some of the previous posts, doens't the article say that the buy-out clause just doesn't count for international transfers?

"The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant. Except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate."

Bayern payed for J Martinez buy out clause.

 

[BADGERBHOY]

I don't get some of the previous posts, doens't the article say that the buy-out clause just doesn't count for international transfers?

"The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant. Except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate."

We had this argument with Inter years ago when they bought Ronaldo from us, we lost.

 

[viper76]

Dose this mean we can not stop him from leaving if any team pay the buyout clause ?

 

[SwiftGuyver]

Manchester United in battle with Barcelona over Thiago Alcântara

By Jamie Jackson, The Guardian, Friday 21 June 2013 17:11 BST

Thiago Alcântara starred in Spain’s European Under-21 Championship triumph but wants more playing time at Barcelona. Photograph: Alex Grimm/Getty Images
Manchester United are in a tussle with Barcelona for Thiago Alcântara with the midfielder minded to stay at the Camp Nou if he is guaranteed regular playing time next season.

The 22-year-old currently earns around €35,000 (£30,000) a week so the English champions would offer him greatly improved terms. Yet with Barcelona wanting him to stay and become a mainstay of the team Thiago, whose current deal expires in 2015, could use United's interest as leverage to sign a more lucrative contract with the Catalan club.

Thiago was the star performer in Spain's triumph this week at the European Under-21 Championship in Israel, with the Italian-born son of Mazinho, the Brazilian 1994 World Cup winner, scoring a hat-trick in Tuesday's 4-2 final win over Italy.

According to reports Thiago has a release clause of around £17m and while United may be prepared to trigger this, it is understood his preference is to remain at Barcelona under Tito Vilanova though assurances are required that there will be more than the 15 La Liga starts handed to him during the last campaign.

This means that whether Thiago becomes David Moyes's first significant signing since succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson as United manager will depend on the player being persuaded that his future should be with Barcelona, where he came through the Spanish champion's junior ranks after joining as a teenager.

Gerard Piqué and Xavi, two of Barcelona's senior first-team players, recently voiced hopes that Thiago would stay at the club. Speaking to radio programme station Onda Cero, Piqué said: "There is a possibility that he could leave but we have to convince him that the best place for him is Barcelona. Players in his position like Xavi were patient and they ended up defining an era."

While Thiago is in competition with Xavi, at 33 the latter is becoming more hampered by injuries increasing the former's prospects of a regular starting berth under Vilanova. Xavi said: "I'd advise Thiago to stay patient because he's a player who is bound to be a success at Barça. I think he is an extraordinary player. Thiago is not just a player for the future, but he is someone who can make an impact right now."
In addition to captaining Spain to the Under-21 triumph over Italy, Thiago also has the experience of playing twice for the all-conquering senior side. With Michael Carrick the only established central midfielder Moyes requires serious reinforcements in this department and Thiago's attacking style plus his ability to beat players suggests he would be an ideal addition to the Scot's squad.

 

[89Norcal]

I'm sure we'll buy him back in 4 years for double the price. Calm down everyone.

 

[matth_22]

He'll join United.

 

[Ender]

Thiago's entourage denies personal terms have been agreed with Man United. Still considering future, although almost made his mind up [rac1]

 

[Wouterinho]

Bayern payed for J Martinez buy out clause.

Have you read the article?
And you can't compare those two situations, I'm pretty sure Bilbao didn't mind losing Martinez for 40 mil (he also already stated that he wanted to leave if I'm not mistaken) but Barca certainly doesn't want to lose Thiago, so these are two completely different situations.