Don't see how his move to Bayern was good for his career. He neither won CL nor got into Spain NT as starter.
Atletico were maybe the best counter attacking side along with Real those seasons. So yes the best counter attacking teams were the ones making the finals and winning it more than others.
As were Barca the year they won it and many of the important goals came from lightening counter attacks.
Some could do both.
Teams obsessed with possession have struggled.
You can control a game and still win it as you are the better counter attacking side. That is fairly simple to understand.
Don't see how his move to Bayern was good for his career. He neither won CL nor got into Spain NT as starter.
Bayern in 2011-2013 was a possession based side, except for that one time when they met an even more possession based team and someone had to take the passive role.. Obviously there's only 100% possession to distribute. One HAS to sit deeper and adapt to it, either voluntary or involuntary. We refer to teams such as Bayern and Madrid as possession based instead of counter attacking sides, because they dominated possession in all their games except when they met a team just like them.
Atleti are the only recent example of sustained success through years without control, and they're a difficult team to successfully emulate. Dortmund in 12/13 too got to the final relying a lot on counters. Yet they both failed in the face of more dominant and controlling teams. Counterattacking is a great weapon but sides that only rely on the counter yet get dominated/pinned back by other teams rarely succeed consistently.
The teams obsessed with possession only have struggled but a lot of them were awful defensively too (Barca 12/13, Bayern 13/14 against RM). And the best teams did often use counterattacks well but the point is that in most of the games they actually played it was dominance/control that shifted games in their favor and gave them the superiority to win. When better teams submit small teams, they mostly do so controlling the game and not ceding possession just to counter shitty teams. Possession/control isn't everything or even close to it but there's a clear correlation in the best teams and their ability to outplay/out-control inferior sides.
He is still only 26, can't write him off already. Xavi himself didn't win his 1st CL for Barca till he was 26, how would people have looked back then if they were going on about how "not world class" he was before he started winning?
Titles can lead to confirmation bias IMO. For me, a world class player is world class before and after he won something or even if he didn't win at all as long as he was performing at a world class level and showing that ability.
Titles can lead to confirmation bias IMO. For me, a world class player is world class before and after he won something or even if he didn't win at all as long as he was performing at a world class level and showing that ability.
Which he hasn't done yet, but still has time to. Time will tell. One thing's for sure, it won't be based on Bundesliga. It's extremely comfortable to play for Bayern in Bundesliga, knowing that there is no big team to challenge you. A bit similar to how playing for PSG in France must be.
If you consider Thiago not world class, then there is sure as shit no argument at all to call someone like Pogba world class which IIRC you've been doing since 2015. Verratti too. Either Thiago is world class, or a lot of usually labelled "world class" midfielders actually aren't by your definition.
How can you just say he isn't world class tho? He has statistically been one of the best in Europe for years, only hampered by injury but also showing it consistently over a season when he was able to. Being an undeniably top 5 player in the Bundesliga over the past 5 years isn't world class? What is then?
If you consider Thiago not world class, then there is sure as shit no argument at all to call someone like Pogba world class which IIRC you've been doing since 2015. Verratti too. Either Thiago is world class, or a lot of usually labelled "world class" midfielders actually aren't by your definition.
To everyone saying that Thiago sucks defensively: do you realise that he isn't the same player that left us 4 years ago? Not saying he is Kanté or whatever, but he actually became a decent player defensively with an incredible workrate and amazing lecture of the game (there's a reason why he consistently has the most interceptions in the BL). Unlike Coutinho, you could play him in midfield with another purely creative midfielder since he doesn't neglect his defensive duties.
On top of that, he is still one of the most creative players around. Maybe not in the same way as your Coutinhos and Ozils, since he plays way deeper, but he is undeniably creative in a different way. He's an incredible playmaker who's capable of dictating the tempo of a game, something I can't see Coutinho or Ozil do tbh. Not comparing Thiago and Coutinho here, but I'm just saying he has qualities Coutinho doesn't have.
And finally, Thiago is just beautiful to watch! I'll say it again, it's a damn shame that his career is being ruined by injuries.