Transfers and Rumours - old thread

Maria

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The source of the poisoning at Barca was a couple of the players and also a weakness of the manager. Iniesta and Xavi and even Eto'o were getting to their peak, Messi was developing every year, Dani Alves was the second best player in the league when he was bought. Even Henry needed a season to adjust to La Liga. And of course Pep is Pep and he bought with him a core understanding and development of a playing philosophy that had been chosen for almost two decades. Keita added necessary steel and Pique worked out well too. So a hell of a lot of things changed and went right for the club to turn around that deficit.

First of all your post is nice and all, but you are completely ignoring the fact that we were talking about RM's squad and that I also said this:

Now I'm not saying that they are going to do the same this season, but you can't judge a squad or a player only for what they did in the last season.

So I wasn't trying to predict the future, but only to say that those 15pts of difference from last season are not necassarily the real difference between the 2 teams..and let's not forget that this RM(without Isco, Illara, Modric but with Higuain has also made 100pts and played a far better football than we played last season).

The one that is aparently capable of predicting the future though are you with this:

Look at Madrid, Ancellotti might not poison things like Mourinho, but he's less capable as a manager. The players they bought are youngsters that will struggle to make it into the first team let alone make a difference. They've sold their best and most consistent striker. They've offloaded two centrebacks(albeit backup ones). Their two most important players(Cristiano and Alonso) are aging. Where's the impact? Where's the improvement really going to come from?


Isco and Illara might struggle to make an impact or might make have the same impact that Javi had for Bayern; Higuain might have been their most consistent striker, but he was also the player that in CL has scored 8 goals in 48 games; even if they sold Albiol and Carvalho, they still have Varane, Ramos and Pepe(a defence at least as better as any top club in Europe); and if Xabi and Cristiano can't still make an impact because of their age, then we should probably get rid of Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves and Mascherano. I guess in the end depends which glasses you are using when you evaluate their squad.
 

impeh

Hi, its me..
seems likely..

Liverpool have made a £21m offer for Atletico Madrid's Brazilian striker Diego Costa.

The offer is understood to have triggered the 24-year-old's release clause and Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is hopeful of completing the deal swiftly.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
seems likely..

Liverpool have made a £21m offer for Atletico Madrid's Brazilian striker Diego Costa.

The offer is understood to have triggered the 24-year-old's release clause and Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is hopeful of completing the deal swiftly.

Replacing one nutcase for another.

Great deal for Atletico of that goes through. He is not worth 25m and they are plenty covered up front.
 

oz187

New member
I don't mean to dig you out, but just because their best player - Ronaldo turns 29 next February, it doesn't mean that he is in decline, if that's what you're suggesting. This isn't FIFA where the players stats drop like a stone once they reach that age. A footballer is still in his prime up to around 33 years old. Would you suggest that Iniesta is not going to have the same impact because he is 29?

Glenn Hoddle reckons that most footballers don't even reach their peak, until their late twenties.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, generally players are at their peak between 26-29. But it can vary. Defenders for example can often continue to play at a high level when they are older, as can players who don't rely on their physicality.

Of course players that rely on physical attributes can decline earlier. This is the context I look at when I consider Cristiano. Once you hit 28, especially as a forward that's the point when you can start declining, sometimes quite rapidly, it depends on the individual. In fact, it may have already started, since he scored 34 league goals last season whereas in the previous season he got 46(although he did improve in the cups). Maybe he will improve a bit, but at 29 it's extremely unlikely he'll improve a lot. It's likely we've seen the best Cristiano the season before last, and I think this is his last season to play at his peak. And the decline, might be slow, a couple of percent a year, but it's still a reduction in performance.

In terms of Iniesta, you can't make a direct comparison because Iniesta is a midfielder and so pace is less important. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts declining a bit in his dribbling soon, but he can make up for that with his positioning and passing, just like Xavi did at that age.

So I wasn't trying to predict the future, but only to say that those 15pts of difference from last season are not necassarily the real difference between the 2 teams..and let's not forget that this RM(without Isco, Illara, Modric but with Higuain has also made 100pts and played a far better football than we played last season).

My point is that you can't say that just because Barca turned things around in the past another team has a strong chance to turn it around now. The most likely thing is a turnaround won't happen. It did in the case of Barca, but it needed a lot of things to change. And, at the time it was predictable that the change could be rapid as the potential for Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Eto'o was clear for any Barca fan to see. But that requires a look at the detail. That is what my predictions are about.

Isco and Illara might struggle to make an impact or might make have the same impact that Javi had for Bayern; Higuain might have been their most consistent striker, but he was also the player that in CL has scored 8 goals in 48 games; even if they sold Albiol and Carvalho, they still have Varane, Ramos and Pepe(a defence at least as better as any top club in Europe); and if Xabi and Cristiano can't still make an impact because of their age, then we should probably get rid of Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves and Mascherano. I guess in the end depends which glasses you are using when you evaluate their squad.

Isco and Illara might make an impact, but the most likely thing considering they are only 21 is that they won't. They aren't competing in a normal league, they are competing against a team that has just won the league by a record margin. This demands a high level of consistency, something that is harder to attain at a young age.

Higuain struggled in CL, but RM probably won't face Barca in the CL. I'm talking about the direct competition in the league, this is where losing Higuain is a big blow.

Varane, Ramos and Pepe might be good, but two injuries and they face the same problem we had this season.

As for Puyol, Xavi and co. They played at a level that got Barca 100 points. They don't need to make an impact. They just need to maintain their level. Real Madrid need to improve. But their two best players at that age those two players won't improve, Cristiano hitting 29 as an attacker, and Xabi post 30 as a midfielder, more likely decline a little. At Barca the two best players; Messi and he is 26 so he will likely improve. Iniesta at 29 in midfield he should be able to maintain his standard and maybe improve a little. He also doesn't have heavy defensive duties like Xabi that need physicality.

Looking at the rest of the Madrid squad, I don't really see too much potential. Benzema and Varane I think are the two players with a lot of potential upside, especially Varane. Maybe Di Maria to some extent and Carvajal has a chance to improve right back. But Benzema lacks discipline, Varane might get figured out, Carvajal might flop and Di Maria lacks character.

If they get Bale, then yes he could make an impact. Suarez too if they went for him. Falcao was perfect for them but they missed out on him. And Lewandowski seemingly only wants Bayern. But I do think they need something.
 

Hamzah

High Definition Member
There has to be someone we can buy. Time's running out quickly and it the obvious weak point in the team, the longer we leave it the harder it is for the defender to adapt to us as he won't have a pre season with us. This happened to Modric for Real Madrid last year.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
If Vergani was available for FREE on a loan deal why weren't we in for him ??

Aghhhhh !

Because the people that matter and have worked with him clearly dont think he is good enough for Barcelona.

One minute people are complaining that the young players dont get enough minutes and next they seem to want anyone signed.
 
B

beautifulgame

Guest
everyone knows we need CB's. that isn't a question jd.

keep it 100. this team won't win anything next year without new ones.
 

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