SwiftGuyver
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van Persie is a world class player and he had a great season but anyone who thinks he should have been in the FIFPro World XI ahead of Messi, CR7 or Falcao are deluded/wrong.
The EL, is there any top 5 - league who takes that competition serious, besides Spain? Come on, while Rvp was playing in the CL, Falcao was in the EL.
Deco 20
Scandinavian 101
Germany, Italy, Portugal
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messi_xavi_iniesta
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Falcao on its own conquered 2 titles to atletico and made them 2nd in spain. Besides Turan and Courtois is surrounded by average players.
Germany, Spain, Italy, England. Portugal teams are as good as french ones and have conquered a lot more trophies in recent years from EL to CL.
Jenks
Senior Member
Italy doesn't. It's one of the reasons their coefficient has been so poor, traditionally at least, lately they've taken to it a bit more perhaps.
DavidVillano1
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Why do British fans always use myths towards La Liga and Spain? Is it jealously?!
At Madrid, Bilbao, Valencia, Malaga, Sevilla are good teams, just because Barcelona and Real Madrid are on another level doesn't mean those clubs are poor or inferior to clubs in England. Barcelona would walk the league in England as well IMO, you would think the myth about harder matches in the EPL(like against Stoke) would have been put to bed when Valencia won there with a second string last year!
Reading, Wigan, Southampton, QPR, Norwich, WBA, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Fulham etc aren't better than the lower teams in La Liga. I'm convinced these comments are from people who don't watch La Liga regularly. Heard similar comments lately since the FIFA Ballon d'Or was announced that La Liga is like 'walking pace' football!
Didn't agree with the Alves, Marcelo, Alonso or Pique picks, but many were saying Ramos shouldn't be there and the likes of Shawcross are better, Baines better than both Marcelo and Coentrao. How can people actually believe those comments?!
As for the Europa League point above, it's another myth. At Madrid have played weakened teams in the tournament this year. Courtois, Godin, Arda Turan and Falcao have not played one game in the tournament. Whilst other first team players like Gabi(2 starts), Juan Fran(1 start), Miranda(2 starts), Filipe(2 starts), Suarez(3 starts) and Koke(3 starts) have not featured often either.
Look at the teams Man United and Man City put out last year, telling me they didn't care?
Hart, Silva started all four games. Barry, Clichy, Richards, De Jong, Aguero, Kompany, Yaya Toure started 3 out of the four. De Gea, Young started all four games last season, Rooney, Rafael, Evans three. Nani, Carrick, Giggs, Evra and Ferdinand played in half.
These people believe these myths, even-though the facts and figures suggest otherwise. When you point this out, it's usually the reply, they didn't try or care. Why put out first team players then? Makes no sense.
As for Robin Van Persie has been on fantastic form for the last 18 or so months, but in my opinion he's not better than Falcao. Last season United fans would have said Rooney was better, now it's RVP. Read some comments lately from United fans saying RVP is on par with Ronaldo and certainly top 3 in the world, RVP better than Xavi and Iniesta?!!
At Madrid, Bilbao, Valencia, Malaga, Sevilla are good teams, just because Barcelona and Real Madrid are on another level doesn't mean those clubs are poor or inferior to clubs in England. Barcelona would walk the league in England as well IMO, you would think the myth about harder matches in the EPL(like against Stoke) would have been put to bed when Valencia won there with a second string last year!
Reading, Wigan, Southampton, QPR, Norwich, WBA, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Fulham etc aren't better than the lower teams in La Liga. I'm convinced these comments are from people who don't watch La Liga regularly. Heard similar comments lately since the FIFA Ballon d'Or was announced that La Liga is like 'walking pace' football!
Didn't agree with the Alves, Marcelo, Alonso or Pique picks, but many were saying Ramos shouldn't be there and the likes of Shawcross are better, Baines better than both Marcelo and Coentrao. How can people actually believe those comments?!
As for the Europa League point above, it's another myth. At Madrid have played weakened teams in the tournament this year. Courtois, Godin, Arda Turan and Falcao have not played one game in the tournament. Whilst other first team players like Gabi(2 starts), Juan Fran(1 start), Miranda(2 starts), Filipe(2 starts), Suarez(3 starts) and Koke(3 starts) have not featured often either.
Look at the teams Man United and Man City put out last year, telling me they didn't care?
Hart, Silva started all four games. Barry, Clichy, Richards, De Jong, Aguero, Kompany, Yaya Toure started 3 out of the four. De Gea, Young started all four games last season, Rooney, Rafael, Evans three. Nani, Carrick, Giggs, Evra and Ferdinand played in half.
These people believe these myths, even-though the facts and figures suggest otherwise. When you point this out, it's usually the reply, they didn't try or care. Why put out first team players then? Makes no sense.
As for Robin Van Persie has been on fantastic form for the last 18 or so months, but in my opinion he's not better than Falcao. Last season United fans would have said Rooney was better, now it's RVP. Read some comments lately from United fans saying RVP is on par with Ronaldo and certainly top 3 in the world, RVP better than Xavi and Iniesta?!!
DavidVillano1
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Forgot to mention the point about RVP in CL and Falcao in EL.
Robin Van Persie has played in six champions league games in 2012, he's scored 4 goals. One was a penalty against Milan and the other three against Braga and Cluj.
Does Barca_070 believe that record is better than Falcao scoring nine goals in nine starts in the Europa League plus the hat trick against Chelsea? Against teams such as Lazio, Besiktas, Hannover, Valencia and At Bilbao. Surely it's pretty clear Falcao played against much harder opposition in Europe in 2012?
Robin Van Persie has played in six champions league games in 2012, he's scored 4 goals. One was a penalty against Milan and the other three against Braga and Cluj.
Does Barca_070 believe that record is better than Falcao scoring nine goals in nine starts in the Europa League plus the hat trick against Chelsea? Against teams such as Lazio, Besiktas, Hannover, Valencia and At Bilbao. Surely it's pretty clear Falcao played against much harder opposition in Europe in 2012?
Yannick03
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I don't get it either. For me it seems the British have a superiority complex. I think right now, La Liga is actually better than the EPL. While English teams are struggling in Europe, Spanish teams are generally not. For me, the EPL is just about men where strength comes first and footballskills only second while in La Liga it is the other way around. I actually believe the EPL is footballwise very poor, when you look for instance at WBA. They are in the top 6 with footballers who can barely give 2 consecutive passes. Imagine for instance WBA playing Real Betis, Betis would murder them.
If Barca and Real Madrid would play in England they would dominate as usual. I find the EPL-is-more-exciting-argument pathetic, just because there is one team that dominates all the others doesn't mean all the others are rubbish. The English are mixing up the definitions of relative strength vs absolute strength. Imagine Barca playing United with a midfield of Cleverley and Carrick. We would just run rings around them.
Also, I actually wasn't surprises the FIFA/FIFPro World XI was all La Liga. Sure, there were one or 2 mistakes but overall I believe Real Madrid and Barca are far superior to City and United. Mata, Silva, Arteta, Cazorla, Michu,.. weren't good enough for Barca and Real but they are setting the PL alight.
And for the RVPhype, I don't see it. For me he is just an slightly above average player with clinical finishing skills, just like Van Nistelrooy but nothing to get very excited about. If the English think he is the best player in the EPL, I feel actually quite sorry for them.
It is like they are defending the EPL so viciously because their national team is bad.
If Barca and Real Madrid would play in England they would dominate as usual. I find the EPL-is-more-exciting-argument pathetic, just because there is one team that dominates all the others doesn't mean all the others are rubbish. The English are mixing up the definitions of relative strength vs absolute strength. Imagine Barca playing United with a midfield of Cleverley and Carrick. We would just run rings around them.
Also, I actually wasn't surprises the FIFA/FIFPro World XI was all La Liga. Sure, there were one or 2 mistakes but overall I believe Real Madrid and Barca are far superior to City and United. Mata, Silva, Arteta, Cazorla, Michu,.. weren't good enough for Barca and Real but they are setting the PL alight.
And for the RVPhype, I don't see it. For me he is just an slightly above average player with clinical finishing skills, just like Van Nistelrooy but nothing to get very excited about. If the English think he is the best player in the EPL, I feel actually quite sorry for them.
It is like they are defending the EPL so viciously because their national team is bad.
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messi_xavi_iniesta
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british fans are bias because they only see the Premier league. Ignorance is not always a bliss. lol.
La liga best 11 will trash any EPL best 11. Humiliaton pure and simple.
Shawcross? WTF? LOL
La liga best 11 will trash any EPL best 11. Humiliaton pure and simple.
Shawcross? WTF? LOL
Deco 20
Scandinavian 101
Portugal and France have leagues of about the same level but I rate the Portuguese slightly higher
Exactly, they take it seriously now.
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
Miranda, Godin, Diego Costa, Felipe Luis and Koke are well above average players. Falcao is their only world class player and they have a massive lack of depth, but their starting 11 would be considered above average in any league.
Pepe Silvia
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good post!
DavidVillano1
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Lately I think we've started to see a slight swing in England in regards to the physical aspect, more smaller gifted type players coming through and passing becoming more relevant than the long ball. That's one of the reason's the defending has become much weaker, teams are trying to play more football rather than hit it long, with the exceptions of West Ham, Stoke, Norwich etc.
Me and my brother have always enjoyed the EPL, watch it regularly, find it pretty exciting. However we've always been of the notion the standard of football is nothing great. Take Man United for example, they're a counter attack team who use space and pace to dominate teams. Personally I'm not a big fan of that style, don't enjoy watching them like I do with Swansea, Arsenal, Tottenham etc. However many British people love that style, think United are a great team etc. Bar City in the first half of the season last year, I don't think the top clubs in England have played great football for a while. Been lot's of goals due to comical defending though.
Apart from this site, my own clubs forum, the only other clubs website I view redcafe. Find it funny to say the least, what strikes me most, is lately United have made a string of 5-6 passes in a move that you see from Arsenal, Swansea often and they've made gifs of them on that forum and talk about how fantastic their play has been. It was good, but their standards are pretty low, nothing on Barcelona/Dortmund etc. Hence them rating Welbeck, Evans, Jones etc and thinking they're better than Balotelli, Pedro, Pique, Ramos, Pepe etc...
Defo a change in culture in Britain lately, how that will work out in the long run I'm not sure. The decline in the standard of the top clubs in England has been rapid. Without suggar daddies the EPL would have been a 2 horse race(most likely United winning majority) over the last few seasons.
Yep, I think it's pretty clear when you read the comments if someone watches that particular league or not.
Agreed, I rate Adrian highly as well.
Filipe Luis, in my view, has been one of the best left backs in the world in 2012. One of those players that needs to move to England or one the big clubs to get praise.
Thanks Pepe Silvia.
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