Van Persie

[Maria]

Villa didn't just happend to have 80% luck by falling in the Spanish NT..he was their top 3 performer at the WC and EC and the top goalscorer at both championships. You can say that Arbeloa or Albiol were lucky by winning the WC, but not Villa, Casillas, Iniesta or Xavi. David raised his game when it mattered the most and when his country NT needed him. Maybe they have similar talents, but what differentiates Villa of RVP is his consistency and great performances in big games for club and country.

I really like RVP and this season he has been the best player in EPL(with Silva as a contender maybe), but I don't thing he would suit us(unless we want to restrict our best player on the wing for a player of Robin's age and medical history). We already have Villa who has 30 years and I would rather spend 30-40 mil on a younger player. And I'm sorry to say it(because I'm not really a fan of his), but Neymar is probably a better fit for us. Not to mention the fact that that I don't want Barca to make any deals with Arsenal for a few years.

 

[La Furia]

Ok lets make a basic comparison:


Shots Per Game:
David Villa 5.5
Robin Van Persie 4.5

DV > RVP

Passing accuracy:

David Villa (League 85.4 - CL 89.6)
Robin Van Persie (League 72.8 - CL 69.1)

DV > RVP

Assists Per Game

David Villa 0.17
Robin Van Persie .28

RVP > DV

Goals Per Game

David Villa .51
Robin Van Persie .42

DV > RVP

Games Per Year

David Villa 48
Robin Van Persie 33

DV > RVP

Positions To Play:

David Villa (FWL CF AM FWR)
Robin Van Persie ( CF- false 9)

DV > RVP

Foot

David Villa (Left/Right)
Robin Van Persie (Left)

DV > RVP

Successful Tackles Per Game:

David Villa .7
Robin Van Persie .5

DV > RVP

Key Passes Per Game:

David Villa (League .8 - CL 1)
Robin Van Persie (League 2.2 - CL .4)

(CL) DV > RVP
(L) RVP > DV

Dispossed Per Game:

David Villa 1.1
Robin Van Persie 2.6

DV > RVP

Diving (scale from 0-10):

David Villa 6
Robin Van Persie 6.5

DV > RVP

Work rate (scale from 0-10):

David Villa 8.5
Robin Van Persie 5

DV > RVP

Speed (scale from 0-10) :

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 6.8

DV > RVP

Set Pieces (scale from 0-10)

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 8

DV > RVP

make the comparison based on non biased stats, yourself. stats from, whoscored, wiki and opta.

This. is. awesome.

 

[danumber10]

Performance in general. Villa's consistency over the past decade can't be matched (not even close) by the likes of Van Persie. Even if we look at titles, it's pretty much the same story.

Titles should not be counted b.c that's more of a team achievement. Goals and assists? Well They aren't that far away from eachother.... let us not forget that Villa is older and Van Persie has scored in a league much harder than La Liga.

 

[Biscuits]

Ok lets make a basic comparison:


Shots Per Game:
David Villa 5.5
Robin Van Persie 4.5

DV > RVP

Passing accuracy:

David Villa (League 85.4 - CL 89.6)
Robin Van Persie (League 72.8 - CL 69.1)

DV > RVP

Assists Per Game

David Villa 0.17
Robin Van Persie .28

RVP > DV

Goals Per Game

David Villa .51
Robin Van Persie .42

DV > RVP

Games Per Year

David Villa 48
Robin Van Persie 33

DV > RVP

Positions To Play:

David Villa (FWL CF AM FWR)
Robin Van Persie ( CF- false 9)

DV > RVP

Foot

David Villa (Left/Right)
Robin Van Persie (Left)

DV > RVP

Successful Tackles Per Game:

David Villa .7
Robin Van Persie .5

DV > RVP

Key Passes Per Game:

David Villa (League .8 - CL 1)
Robin Van Persie (League 2.2 - CL .4)

(CL) DV > RVP
(L) RVP > DV

Dispossed Per Game:

David Villa 1.1
Robin Van Persie 2.6

DV > RVP

Diving (scale from 0-10):

David Villa 6
Robin Van Persie 6.5

DV > RVP

Work rate (scale from 0-10):

David Villa 8.5
Robin Van Persie 5

DV > RVP

Speed (scale from 0-10) :

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 6.8

DV > RVP

Set Pieces (scale from 0-10)

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 8

DV > RVP

make the comparison based on non biased stats, yourself. stats from, whoscored, wiki and opta.

Hahahahha oh my, needed good laugh. For a moment I thought you are actually this dumb and being serious

 

[Manuel Traquete]

Titles should not be counted b.c that's more of a team achievement. Goals and assists? Well They aren't that far away from eachother.... let us not forget that Villa is older and Van Persie has scored in a league much harder than La Liga.

-I never said anything about goals and assists. But let's imagine I did, for argument's sake. Villa has 267 goals and 78 assists (ignoring his early years at Gijon for which there are no statistics), while Robin has 143 goals and 53 assists, meaning that Villa's stats almost double Van Persie's.

-Villa is only 1 and a half years older, it doesn't explain such a big difference in stats (which, according to you, should be the metric used to compare them)

-The Premier League isn't much harder than La Liga

 

[UberNjufer]

Villa didn't just happend to have 80% luck by falling in the Spanish NT..he was their top 3 performer at the WC and EC and the top goalscorer at both championships. You can say that Arbeloa or Albiol were lucky by winning the WC, but not Villa, Casillas, Iniesta or Xavi. David raised his game when it mattered the most and when his country NT needed him. Maybe they have similar talents, but what differentiates Villa of RVP is his consistency and great performances in big games for club and country.

I really like RVP and this season he has been the best player in EPL(with Silva as a contender maybe), but I don't thing he would suit us(unless we want to restrict our best player on the wing for a player of Robin's age and medical history). We already have Villa who has 30 years and I would rather spend 30-40 mil on a younger player. And I'm sorry to say it(because I'm not really a fan of his), but Neymar is probably a better fit for us. Not to mention the fact that that I don't want Barca to make any deals with Arsenal for a few years.

you make a lot of sense.

 

[danumber10]

Villa is better by way of versatility, consistency and work ethic.

- He can spearhead an attack, play behind a strike-partner, or work the channels. Van Persie can as well. But DV7 executes these roles to equal quality, and greater effect.

- He's not just a goal-scorer, but one who contributes to playmaking, linkup attack and setting up his teammates, all of which require vision and passing (non-striker attributes). He assisted second to Aimar in 05/06 for his team, and was La Liga's leading assist man in 06/07. So far in their career Villa has 78 assists to RVP's 53. The former has played more, but their assist/game ratio is about similar.

- DV7 has stood out playing for the likes of S.Gijón and Zaragoza, which i'm sure you know are not of the same quality as a top 4 EPL club (where RVP has spent playing the best part of his career) and boasting a ratio of a goal in 2, and being instrumental in zara's victory over Real madrid in the CDR finals 04.

- In his time at Valencia, which was marked by instability(fin.and sportin'), internal conflicts, 4 managerial changes, he was the top spanish goal-scorer for 4 seasons, and a constant thorn for the top 2 despite the level of quality around him.

- Has a vast array of skills and weapons. He can volley, chip, scissor, overhead, score from the half-way line, and score golazos from either foot from acutest of angles and distances. He's also a proven set-piece player. RVP in his career has neither shown the same variety or depth in his shot-making/finishing.

- RVP is a technical player, yes, but most EPL players of his kind (regardless of quality) look better than what they actually are, thanks to the incompetence of EPL defenders who lack the knowledge or the ability to take on fast technically skilled players. RVP won't enjoy similar success against La Liga defences. Conversely, DV7 (even at 30) will have it much easier there. You just 've to look at how some of his NT teammates(Mata, Silva, Torres - before he lost it) have been twatting the EPL defences. At this moment, RVP is a better dribbler, but DV7 in his prime was better.

- Villa's intl exploits and stats speak for itself. RVP isn't close.

- His biggest footballing attribute is his humility and sacrifice. His willingness to take a step back for his other team-mate to shine. His willingness to learn from a younger and lesser player in order to contribute more to the team. His work-rate (tracking back) and pressing game. But more so, the chemistry and good-will he shares with his team mates, all of which are important for the team-morale and spirit. And you can't put a prize on that.

David Villa at his prime was heroic (still is) and magnificient. RVP is not a worthy comparison. But then most posters here have not seen Villa pre-barca.
He might be in the decline, but he can still offer much more than an RVP can to this team. Upon recovery, Villa shall return and add more beautiful chapters to his Barca legacy.. You all watch!.

ok so Their assist /game ratio is about the same.
" DV7 has stood out playing for the likes of S.Gijón and Zaragoza, which i'm sure you know are not of the same quality as a top 4 EPL club (where RVP has spent playing the best part of his career) " Are you trying to say that Messi is not that good actually for playing for Barcelona all these years? If you want to be unfair to Van Persie by saying he hasn't played for average sides like sporting and zaragoza then why do we even consider Messi among the best players in history? I would like to say that the fact that Van Persie has remained in a top club for so long proves that he's quality. Anyone can get to the highest level but not everyone can mantain there. The time Villa spent at Valencia wasn't too bad becAUSE vALENCIA in the 2000's were actually really good teams. "He can volley, chip, scissor, overhead, score from the half-way line, and score golazos from either foot from acutest of angles and distances. He's also a proven set-piece player. RVP in his career has neither shown the same variety or depth in his shot-making/finishing. " Most of these skills have not been produced in Barcelona yet. And most strikers can actually do things like these so I'm not surprised.
"RVP is a technical player, yes, but most EPL players of his kind (regardless of quality) look better than what they actually are, thanks to the incompetence of EPL defenders who lack the knowledge or the ability to take on fast technically skilled players. RVP won't enjoy similar success against La Liga defences. Conversely, DV7 (even at 30) will have it much easier there. You just 've to look at how some of his NT teammates(Mata, Silva, Torres - before he lost it) have been twatting the EPL defences. At this moment, RVP is a better dribbler, but DV7 in his prime was better." If Messi hasn't been able to shine against "less technical sides" in English soil I really doubt it would be so easy as you claim. Messi score in English soil last year...... how long has Messi been playing champions league and still hasn't managed to do something espectacular against english teams ( the final was an exeption). For the most part Messi has failed there. "David Villa at his prime was heroic (still is) and magnificient. RVP is not a worthy comparison. But then most posters here have not seen Villa pre-barca.
He might be in the decline, but he can still offer much more than an RVP can to this team. Upon recovery, Villa shall return and add more beautiful chapters to his Barca legacy.. You all watch!. " I did watch Villa before Barca and today he's not even the shadow of the player he used to ber and unfortunately I don't think he's ever coming back. If I had to choose between THAT Villa ( valencia) and this Van Persie, there is no doubt I would pick Villa but If I have to choose between THIS Villa and this Vanpersie I'd take this Van Persie anytime any day (Putting feelings aside b.c I really like Villa as a person). The Villa I have watched at barca ( besides that first part of his first season) is nowhere near the villa I once knew. The Villa from Valencia was one of the best finishers in la liga . He would never miss the goals that I watched him miss after that first half of his first season with barca. So many situations one on one against the goalie. One game comes to mind.... the game against Valencia when we drew. He had a chance alone with the keeper after a Messi through ball and he failed . The game against Arsenal, had a few clear goal opportunities that could have saved us all the suffering and Van Persie situation. He's not the same player. He's slow, tired, weak, wasteful. I love him as a person and if he stays I will not mind but let us not forget Madrid will get stronger and stronger next season. They will sure uy more quality players and form one of the best squads the world has seen. I'm worried we won't be able to face them with what we have now.

 

[La Furia]

Titles should not be counted b.c that's more of a team achievement. Goals and assists? Well They aren't that far away from eachother.... let us not forget that Villa is older and Van Persie has scored in a league much harder than La Liga.

And there it goes.

 

[Myrmecophile]

van Persie can come back when he manages to score 20+ goals for 10 consecutive years.

This

 

[danumber10]

-I never said anything about goals and assists. But let's imagine I did, for argument's sake. Villa has 267 goals and 78 assists (ignoring his early years at Gijon for which there are no statistics), while Robin has 143 goals and 53 assists, meaning that Villa's stats almost double Van Persie's.

-Villa is only 1 and a half years older, it doesn't explain such a big difference in stats (which, according to you, should be the metric used to compare them)

-The Premier League isn't much harder than La Liga

Of course the number of goals and assists from Villa is better than Van Persie's because while RVP has played 337 games , David Villa has played 530 games , almost the twice the number of games. Everyone knows that is harder to score in the EPL than scoring in la liga. Unfortunately there is far better players in The EPL than La liga. To give you an idea, The EPL was the league to provide the greater number of players for the world cup. Here's the list: 111 England 139
2 Germany 94
3 Italy 93
4 Spain 74
As you can see Spain was number 4. There is more quaity players (defenders, midfielders, attackers, golies) in the EPL than la Liga. That's why It's the best league in the world. Not many teams can afford the players England top teams can. So my point is that it is harder to play against English teams (RVP) than playing against Spanish sides (Villa). While Villa's game is declining RVP's is going up and that's why we should sign him!

 

[Myrmecophile]

Of course the number of goals and assists from Villa is better than Van Persie's because while RVP has played 337 games , David Villa has played 530 games , almost the twice the number of games. Everyone knows that is harder to score in the EPL than scoring in la liga. Unfortunately there is far better players in The EPL than La liga. To give you an idea, The EPL was the league to provide the greater number of players for the world cup. Here's the list: 111 England 139
2 Germany 94
3 Italy 93
4 Spain 74
As you can see Spain was number 4. There is more quaity players (defenders, midfielders, attackers, golies) in the EPL than la Liga. That's why It's the best league in the world. Not many teams can afford the players England top teams can. So my point is that it is harder to play against English teams (RVP) than playing against Spanish sides (Villa). While Villa's game is declining RVP's is going up and that's why we should sign him!

Really, really poor post. Must try harder.

 

[danumber10]

Really, really poor post. Must try harder.

how is it poor?

 

[Manuel Traquete]

Of course the number of goals and assists from Villa is better than Van Persie's because while RVP has played 337 games , David Villa has played 530 games , almost the twice the number of games. Everyone knows that is harder to score in the EPL than scoring in la liga. Unfortunately there is far better players in The EPL than La liga. To give you an idea, The EPL was the league to provide the greater number of players for the world cup. Here's the list: 111 England 139
2 Germany 94
3 Italy 93
4 Spain 74
As you can see Spain was number 4. There is more quaity players (defenders, midfielders, attackers, golies) in the EPL than la Liga. That's why It's the best league in the world. Not many teams can afford the players England top teams can. So my point is that it is harder to play against English teams (RVP) than playing against Spanish sides (Villa). While Villa's game is declining RVP's is going up and that's why we should sign him!

No, that's not the reason why Villa is better than Van Persie. His average is also superior: he has scored 0,5 goals per match, while VP has 0,42. This is even more impressive because the more matches you play your average becomes more likely to drop. So it has nothing to do with playing more matches, just with Villa being the superior goalscorer and player.

And those numbers prove nothing; look where the players from the top 4 teams in the world cup played: Spain's lineup, the world champions, all played in La Liga. Holland's best player in the world cup, Sneijder and Robben, played in the Bundesliga and Serie A respectively. Germany players were almost all from the Bundesliga. Uruguay had players in La Liga (Forlán), Dutch League (Suarez), Portuguese League (Alvaro Pereira, Maxi Pereira, Fucile) and none from the Premier League. The World Cup actually proved that the best players are not in the Premier League, as if any proof was needed.

 

[Ode to Django]

Really, really poor post. Must try harder.

Dammit i was waiting for a funny gif.

 

[Catalonian Devil]

Villa is better by way of versatility, consistency and work ethic.

- He can spearhead an attack, play behind a strike-partner, or work the channels. Van Persie can as well. But DV7 executes these roles to equal quality, and greater effect.

- He's not just a goal-scorer, but one who contributes to playmaking, linkup attack and setting up his teammates, all of which require vision and passing (non-striker attributes). He assisted second to Aimar in 05/06 for his team, and was La Liga's leading assist man in 06/07. So far in their career Villa has 78 assists to RVP's 53. The former has played more, but their assist/game ratio is about similar.

- DV7 has stood out playing for the likes of S.Gijón and Zaragoza, which i'm sure you know are not of the same quality as a top 4 EPL club (where RVP has spent playing the best part of his career) and boasting a ratio of a goal in 2, and being instrumental in zara's victory over Real madrid in the CDR finals 04.

- In his time at Valencia, which was marked by instability(fin.and sportin'), internal conflicts, 4 managerial changes, he was the top spanish goal-scorer for 4 seasons, and a constant thorn for the top 2 despite the level of quality around him.

- Has a vast array of skills and weapons. He can volley, chip, scissor, overhead, score from the half-way line, and score golazos from either foot from acutest of angles and distances. He's also a proven set-piece player. RVP in his career has neither shown the same variety or depth in his shot-making/finishing.

- RVP is a technical player, yes, but most EPL players of his kind (regardless of quality) look better than what they actually are, thanks to the incompetence of EPL defenders who lack the knowledge or the ability to take on fast technically skilled players. RVP won't enjoy similar success against La Liga defences. Conversely, DV7 (even at 30) will have it much easier there. You just 've to look at how some of his NT teammates(Mata, Silva, Torres - before he lost it) have been twatting the EPL defences. At this moment, RVP is a better dribbler, but DV7 in his prime was better.

- Villa's intl exploits and stats speak for itself. RVP isn't close.

- His biggest footballing attribute is his humility and sacrifice. His willingness to take a step back for his other team-mate to shine. His willingness to learn from a younger and lesser player in order to contribute more to the team. His work-rate (tracking back) and pressing game. But more so, the chemistry and good-will he shares with his team mates, all of which are important for the team-morale and spirit. And you can't put a prize on that.

David Villa at his prime was heroic (still is) and magnificient. RVP is not a worthy comparison. But then most posters here have not seen Villa pre-barca.
He might be in the decline, but he can still offer much more than an RVP can to this team. Upon recovery, Villa shall return and add more beautiful chapters to his Barca legacy.. You all watch!.

Z, telling it like it is...


However, I don't think its fair to downplay RVP's absolutely magnificent season by a comparison with one of the greatest strikers of the decade.

RVP could've been much more if not for the injuries, no one really knows what heights he could've reached. This season gave us a glimpse of what he is capable of when going this far into the season injury-free.

Ability-wise, my personal opinion is that RVP could have reached a level very close to that of Villa's if not for two major factors:

- His glass exterior.
- His work ethic and on-pitch personality.