Vitor Roque (loaned to Real Betis)

JohnN

Senior Member
People in the forum want barca to be ruthless even with legends of the club and follow RM style.
on the other hand when the club is ruthless in the case of a Brazilian youngster who cost too much and seems to have a bad attitude (see using his agent to make statements) and looks like an amateur player, everyone turns against the club.
so, which one is it.
and to keep it simple, please tell me your expectations from Vitor. I don't assume anyone is a fortune teller. just your opinion from what little you have seen.
My assessment is on his best day at the peak of his powers he will be half the player Depay is.
 

Porque

Senior Member
People in the forum want barca to be ruthless even with legends of the club and follow RM style.
on the other hand when the club is ruthless in the case of a Brazilian youngster who cost too much and seems to have a bad attitude (see using his agent to make statements) and looks like an amateur player, everyone turns against the club.
so, which one is it.
and to keep it simple, please tell me your expectations from Vitor. I don't assume anyone is a fortune teller. just your opinion from what little you have seen.
My assessment is on his best day at the peak of his powers he will be half the player Depay is.

The issue is the manner of whats happened. The financial situation of the club, the managers demands and that Vitor Roque being exactly as expected, and two years of scouting didn't identify that his traits don't match with the club and would have to train and adapt.

I have been hard on Xavi, but I also have previously said that in general he is a very good judge on talent when he has them training under him. We can see where guys like Emre Demir, Pablo Torre, Abde and Riqui Puig who he didn't really trust ended up at, and he was correct on his call.

So Roque may be next in line. Of course Xavi isn't infallible and set in his ways. Took him a while to utilize Luuk and it was always grudgingly at that. We would be infinity better with him still as a squad option as his time in PSV has proven. Dest was a success at LB too though I understand his exit, while Nico Gonzalez is playing much better and showing Xavi was wrong in his rating of him.

In the end I think Roque has alot of potential but also needs alot of refining. Something any longthinking club would have assessed and have a plan in motion for. He is 19 so maybe the outburst isn't of complete maturity, but then it is completely expected given he pledged to join the club almost 18 months ago, agreed to a lower financial offer and wanted to join the club. Then feels he has not had a fair opportunity and is being casted off straight away. It is not too dissimilar to Malcom who Valderde never really wanted, never got a fair shot and in the end is a good player.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
People in the forum want barca to be ruthless even with legends of the club and follow RM style.
on the other hand when the club is ruthless in the case of a Brazilian youngster who cost too much and seems to have a bad attitude (see using his agent to make statements) and looks like an amateur player, everyone turns against the club.
so, which one is it.
and to keep it simple, please tell me your expectations from Vitor. I don't assume anyone is a fortune teller. just your opinion from what little you have seen.
My assessment is on his best day at the peak of his powers he will be half the player Depay is.

1-Roque/his agent didn't start the media talk to say he had bad attitude, it was Xavi who said on one occasion that he didn't understand the possession game of Barca, and then that he should go on loan.
Media then reported the loan deal, the Curry respinded that it won't happen. So let's not put this on the poor kid.

2-How are we ruthless with him? It is the opposite.
Coach isn't convinced, he doesn't rate the player, management seems in bad spot since they have invested a lot of resources on him, so they want to dance around it and move him on loan then let the next coach figure it out.
OTOH the player were decisive, if you don't rate me then let's move on and I will leave.

The club would have been ruthless if they have told him to bring profitable offer and then we talk, otherwise stop talking the talk if you (the player/agent) can't walk the walk.

The club went after him, made him have an interview with Sport to tell them he would only play for Barca, to close the door for other clubs.

This was during a time he was the best player and top scorer in U-20 copa America while being one of the youngest players in the tournament (he is eligible to play next one too btw), and was best no9 in both Brazil and Libertadores. He was the player who led his small club to their first ever Libertadores finals at the age of 17.

The club sign him, but told him to stay another year because our financial issues, then in January told him, we have a surprisewe will bring you now, we don't care that you have just came from big injury and had no pre-season. Leave everything now.
But then he doesn't play, doesn't really get integrated. And coach go to the media to suggest loaning him, which is historically the worst route for Barca player.

And you know what is funny? He is in total control, we can't force him to be loaned, and if we don't register him he becomes a free agent after the deadline.

Roque might suck for all what we know, but the club wasn't ruthless and was indecisive about the issue.

If anything this issue shows there is lack of hierarchical structure between the coach and SD, which is very worrisome.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Xavi Hernández: "The intention was not for Vitor to come in December, for him to stay there. The option was opened with the injuries of Gavi and Balde. For their training, we believed it was the best. There is a debate that, for me, does not "It makes sense. He is a player in training. There are footballers who are ahead of him, that's how I understand it. He has spent his whole life with young footballers."
 

jamrock

Senior Member
The thing is who is ahead of him? Torres before if that's the case.

Xavi is either bias or we are fucked because it means roque is terrible.
 

Co0ter

Senior Member
How many times did Xavi say "we deserved to win" or "we played well" after an absolute horror show of a performance? Not to mention excuse after excuse or blaming the loss on officials due to 1 call when in the match as a whole we were disastrous and ineffective.

Meanwhile he keeps playing Lewa and subbing in Lord Torres. What a joke of a coach.
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Send him for a loan to Al Nassr for 1 year so he can learn from the best goalscorer of all time!

If he comes back and doesnt score at least 30 goals per season, he's trash :pique:
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Both of the people I mentioned are proven on all of the big stages, your boy is 0 G and 0 assists in 5 WC KOs without RM and ManU

Brutal facts.

Dude my boy has proven in different clubs he can score, your boy has zero goals in a new club in Cl KOs - brutal facts!

I can't take WC or even EUROs seriously, it's waaaaay easier to score when you play for big nations then smaller ones :whatever:
 

companyofcules

Well-known member
People in the forum want barca to be ruthless even with legends of the club and follow RM style.
on the other hand when the club is ruthless in the case of a Brazilian youngster who cost too much and seems to have a bad attitude (see using his agent to make statements) and looks like an amateur player, everyone turns against the club.
so, which one is it.
and to keep it simple, please tell me your expectations from Vitor. I don't assume anyone is a fortune teller. just your opinion from what little you have seen.
My assessment is on his best day at the peak of his powers he will be half the player Depay is.
Busquets played how many years beeing absolutely useless and nemesis in UCL?
Roberto?
Alba?
Pique? Dembele? Lewandowski?
If they buy Endrick and Mbappe from Real after getting Vitor out I would have no problem.
The issue is that they have a mediocre attack, paid a fortune on a bet, used the plastics to hype him and he was not used all that being technically out of bankruptcy with 2.7 billions debt.
What the f is the bet? Being more stupid than Bartomeu?
 

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