Who should be Barça's next coach after Lucho?

[Hamzah]

To be honest this team doesn't need a genius coach, just a man with common sense that keeps the players motivated. The players are good and don't need a manager with overly complicated ideas.

If the fullback and midfield situation is solved then just bring a coach that gets out of the players way and let's them shine. The team has messi Suarez and Neymar for fuck sake.

 

[Raketa10]

To be honest this team doesn't need a genius coach, just a man with common sense that keeps the players motivated. The players are good and don't need a manager with overly complicated ideas.

If the fullback and midfield situation is solved then just bring a coach that gets out of the players way and let's them shine. The team has messi Suarez and Neymar for fuck sake.

That is the problem. An average manager won't have any respect from this players which will consequently result in lack of motivation and anarchy on the field. This team needs a manager with huge authority and big balls.

There is also one big problem with our squad. We are physically totally unprepared at the moment. I am not saying we need someone like Simeone but if we want to win CL we need to be able to handle teams like ATM, Juve and Real and in our current state this is impossible. Some of players obviously gained a few pounds. We were much better prepared in Lucho's first season.

 

[Hamzah]

Valverde would be Tata Martino no.2

In this moment we need someone better or we will lose another year.

I wouldn't compare them actually. Valverde has proven his worth in la liga.

That is the problem. An average manager won't have any respect from this players which will consequently result in lack of motivation. This team needs a manager with huge authority and big balls.

I do agree a big name that they respect is important, but I don't see anyone out there that can be that guy.

 

[BBZ8800]

Realistically the only options are:

Ernesto Valverde - Very experienced, but there could be doubts about the direction he might take the team following on the more direct, multi-role players setup

Oscar Garcia - Inexperienced, was the Juvenil A coach that won it all and should have been appointed as the Barca B coach, but got shafted by Rosell. Was under Cruyff's tutelage, and is more about the Barcelona fundamentals of possession, movement, midfield dominance and entertainment

Juan Carlos Unzue - Following on the same path, has worked in the club in as the GK coach under Rijkaard, Pep, but I'm not sure that would help if he cannot help Lucho work our tactics and transfers better as his right hand man and assistant coach

If Oscar Garcia is an option, then why not Cocu also?
And why is Koeman not on the list anymore?

 

[Windhook]

Honestly I prefer Xavi instead of having Valverde managing Barcelona.

 

[Hamzah]

Xavi would play the football everyone likes and have everyone's respect. He needs experience though...

 

[DonAK]

If Oscar Garcia is an option, then why not Cocu also?
And why is Koeman not on the list anymore?

Only included the ones reported by the press lately, otherwise you could include them too.

 

[BBZ8800]

If we weren't idiots we'd go for Jardim who is an outstanding coach.

That Monaco team in simply incredible.

Jardim, Sampaoli would be great candidates.

There are some changes since yesterday - Sampaoli is heading for the dream Argentina job. No longer a candidate.

Didn't Bartomeu himself stated they were considering a world class manager? I just don't see Valverde fitting this category. Having spent two years at Barca at the dawn of the Cruyff era doesn't automatically give one a BarcaDNA.

Jardim, also since yesterday, is everybody's new favorite. He would be great candidate, adding the fact that he is born Barcelona... but in Venezuela.

The same as with Sampaoli a few weeks ago, people are now jumping on a hype train of a coach who barely had 1 full season of good results.
There is a difference in coaching a smaller team and overachieve with it and coaching a team like Barca where fans expect a win, win, win in every match and titles in all competitions.

Jardim:
1. wasn't a footballer
2. zero connections with Barca in his life
3. hasn't coached any big team in his career
4. hasn't coached big players with big egos
5. zero La liga experience (look at Pep in EPL)
6. how will he handle media and pressure in a big team?

With that logic, in each season, there will be 3-4-5 coaches (Napoli, Sevilla, Borussia, random EPL team) who's teams are overachieving, Barca should look between those "hot" coaches?

Monaco played against Leverkusen, Tottenham, Cska, Man City and Borussia in a CL.
No Juventus, Bayern, Real, Barca, Atletico till now.
They faced only teams without european experience or teams who play insanely attacking (Man City, Borussia).

I would draw an analogy: signing a coach from Napoli or Monaco is the same as splashing 50-60M for a striker or midfielder who had one wonder season in a midtable team, and then a player usually fails in a big team.
On the other hand, everything is possible, and Jardim could be the next best coach in Europe for the next 10 years, but top teams usually don't work that way and they don't hire coaches from smaller teams after 1 good season.

So, if the board won't go for Sampaoli/Jardim/Sarri, it is not because they are not work proactive, but because big teams don't work in that way.
For example, can you imagine Bayern sacking Ancelotti and hiring a coach from Napoli who had a good season there?
Or, more likely, Bayern will just hire one of top coaches who is working with top teams for 10-20 years.

Not to mention how teams have a chemistry, form, a magical overachieving season often.
Leicester won a title last season and half of their players looked awesome, and their coach was awesome.
Only 12 Months later, their coach is sacked and all of their players are back to mostly average level.

Imagine if we have hired their coach after his amazing season last year, or if we bought 3-4 players of them because they played awesome last year.
Luckily, it doesn't work that way.

 

[Windhook]

Imagine if we have hired their coach after his amazing season last year, or if we bought 3-4 players of them because they played awesome last year.
Luckily, it doesn't work that way.

Your criteria (excluding the Barca related ones) point to only three managers active in football right now - Guardiola, Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti. I think you are raising the bar too high here. The board have to appoint someone who is showing promise, of course there is going to be a hype about them. What excitement would Valverde, Eusebio, Koeman, Cocu or De Boer would bring? I'm afraid dark days lie ahead of Barca with such narrow list of candidates.

 

[Alik]

Honestly I prefer Xavi instead of having Valverde managing Barcelona.

Xavi needs to come manage Barça B first.

 

[BBZ8800]

Your criteria (excluding the Barca related ones) point to only three managers active in football right now - Guardiola, Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti. I think you are raising the bar too high here. The board have to appoint someone who is showing promise, of course there is going to be a hype about them. What excitement would Valverde, Eusebio, Koeman, Cocu or De Boer would bring? I'm afraid dark days lie ahead of Barca with such narrow list of candidates.

Why is Jardim showing a promise and Cocu isn't?
Also, why is Jardim showing more promise than Gerard Lopez or Oscar Garcia?

Jardim won a title with Olympiacos, which is the same or worse than winning a Dutch league.
After that, Jardim came to Monaco and he started to shine in his 3rd season here.

In the 1st season, he finished 3rd with 12 points behind Psg.
In his 2nd season, he finished 3rd with 31 (yes, 31 points) behind Psg.
In the 3rd season, he is having good results now (when Psg lost Blanc and Ibrahimovic, it needs to be said also).

Oscar Garcia, Cocu and Gerard Lopez, have connections with Barca, they know a club inside out and they won titles (Oscar in Israel and Austria, Cocu in Netherlands), while Gerard is good with a Bteam (the same as Pep or Lucho).

I mean, just look what happened with Sampaoli in the last 2-3 Months.
From an absolute hero of Barca's fans, his team Sevilla totally fell apart in a CL and in La liga lately, plus a lot of new infos surfaced about his troublesome personality.
Jardim is suddenly a new flavor of a Month, since Monaco is playing awesome (and we needed a new flavor of the month after Sampaoli).
But when you dig a little deeper, his results aren't that special until now (compared to other candidates like Koeman, Cocu, Oscar etc).
Plus, Jardim lost his job at Braga after a fight with a club president and right after that, in Olympiacos, even though his club won a title and played good, he was fired again after a clash with a club's president.

Zero Barca's experience, zero La liga experience, seems as a hot headed, zero experience with world class players and egos.
When you sum everything, I would personally take Oscar/Cocu/Gerard/Koeman before any of Sampaoli, Sarri, Jardim and random flavor of a month coaches.

But Robert will pick Valverde, so you guys won't get your in-form popular coach, and I won't get some younger Barca's DNA guy.
A lose-lose scenario

 

[Raketa10]

Why is Jardim showing a promise and Cocu isn't?
Also, why is Jardim showing more promise than Gerard Lopez or Oscar Garcia?

Jardim won a title with Olympiacos, which is the same or worse than winning a Dutch league.
After that, Jardim came to Monaco and he started to shine in his 3rd season here.

In the 1st season, he finished 3rd with 12 points behind Psg.
In his 2nd season, he finished 3rd with 31 (yes, 31 points) behind Psg.
In the 3rd season, he is having good results now (when Psg lost Blanc and Ibrahimovic, it needs to be said also).

Oscar Garcia, Cocu and Gerard Lopez, have connections with Barca, they know a club inside out and they won titles (Oscar in Israel and Austria, Cocu in Netherlands), while Gerard is good with a Bteam (the same as Pep or Lucho).

I mean, just look what happened with Sampaoli in the last 2-3 Months.
From an absolute hero of Barca's fans, his team Sevilla totally fell apart in a CL and in La liga lately, plus a lot of new infos surfaced about his troublesome personality.
Jardim is suddenly a new flavor of a Month, since Monaco is playing awesome (and we needed a new flavor of the month after Sampaoli).
But when you dig a little deeper, his results aren't that special until now (compared to other candidates like Koeman, Cocu, Oscar etc).
Plus, Jardim lost his job at Braga after a fight with a club president and right after that, in Olympiacos, even though his club won a title and played good, he was fired again after a clash with a club's president.

Zero Barca's experience, zero La liga experience, seems as a hot headed, zero experience with world class players and egos.
When you sum everything, I would personally take Oscar/Cocu/Gerard/Koeman before any of Sampaoli, Sarri, Jardim and random flavor of a month coaches.

But Robert will pick Valverde, so you guys won't get your in-form popular coach, and I won't get some younger Barca's DNA guy.
A lose-lose scenario

Out of these 4 (Oscar/Cocu/Gerard/Koeman) Koeman is by far the best and the most experienced one. He is also the only one who managed serious teams. Other 3 would be a HUGE gamble and that is not something we need right now.

I agree that Jardim would also be a huge gamble. We definitely shouldn't consider him right now.

 

[jairzinho]

I still feel like Sampaoli is the best fit for us right now. I know he's been linked with Argentina, but it's just a matter for Farto and the board to show interest. Like i've said before, the guy has shown what he can do at the highest level with the Chile NT. In comparison with the other potential candidates, his CV is among and possibly the best.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Well honestly there are only two world class managers that were ever mentioned in this context: Allegri and Pochettino.

Koeman and Sampaoli are also good candidates IMHO but you can't honestly say they are "world class" level.

But then honestly who is WC level in this moment except those two? Pep, Conte, Mou, Ancelotti, Simeone, Klopp and that's it. Maybe I forgot someone but the list isn't big anyway.

Allegri isn't available,he has been settled well in Juve and they want him for long term. He has no reason to leave them for a 3 years job at Barca maximum.
Pochettino long history with Espanyol will rule him out, he said he doesn't want to join and the board will have hard time selling him to the fans in Camp Nou. May be if the next manager failed they will go for him.
Jardim is very intruiging choice, and we would have very little competition to get him (may be Milan new owners or PSG will go after him) but the board probably will need more convincing to get him,may be if he does the impossible and win it all in CL?

If Oscar Garcia is an option, then why not Cocu also?
And why is Koeman not on the list anymore?

Those are valid question,and I honestly think that both Cocu and Gio should be in our list for future coaches. But after De Boer misery in Inter I think the board should be cautious,Also I have my doubts that we are serious about Oscar
As for Koeman,I think with him not mentioned recently and the fact that that Roberto said Deulofue is coming back (when he didn't work that well with Koeman) is pointing out that he isn't a candidate anymore. It is sort of guessing about situation than opinion

 

[Windhook]

Why is Jardim showing a promise and Cocu isn't?

Dude, it's not my candidate against yours thing. I don't have favorite for the position. You, simply put, defend the BarcaDNA thing and I say appointing someone outside of Barca planet will not be the end of the world. Nobody is capable of erasing the philosophy brought to this club by Johan Cruyff.

Unfortunately at this moment, no candidate is perfectly suitable, as you said it it's a lose-lose scenario.