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kattanib

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La Liga imo is a more accurate measure of a manager?s ability compared to the Champions league .. La Liga is 38 matches which shows your quality because it averages out good & bad luck across a huge number of games and also luck plays less of a factor as you play against everyone. Champions league is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you get
 

ajnotkeith

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La Liga imo is a more accurate measure of a manager?s ability compared to the Champions league .. La Liga is 38 matches which shows your quality because it averages out good & bad luck across a huge number of games and also luck plays less of a factor as you play against everyone. Champions league is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you get
League football for Barcelona & other top teams is mainly a measure of how effective you are against inferior opposition. Leagues are won by which top team is most effective against inferior/non-European teams week in week out, as those are the majority of teams and therefore points you'll be playing for.

We only play Madrid 2 times out of 38 in the league, and almost all of the remaining 36 are average Liga minnows. That's where the points are picked up. You could lose to Madrid twice and still breeze the league if you pick up all the points from the bottom half.

CL tests your effectiveness against bigger and more evenly matched teams, and there are teams that consistently perform better in that format (Madrid) and ones that don't (City) year after year, showing variance doesn't really explain it well and that luck isn't a huge factor.
 

Respekt_III

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League football for Barcelona & other top teams is mainly a measure of how effective you are against inferior opposition. Leagues are won by which top team is most effective against inferior/non-European teams week in week out, as those are the majority of teams and therefore points you'll be playing for.

We only play Madrid 2 times out of 38 in the league, and almost all of the remaining 36 are average Liga minnows. That's where the points are picked up. You could lose to Madrid twice and still breeze the league if you pick up all the points from the bottom half.

CL tests your effectiveness against bigger and more evenly matched teams, and there are teams that consistently perform better in that format (Madrid) and ones that don't (City) year after year, showing variance doesn't really explain it well and that luck isn't a huge factor.

Absolutely wrong.
 

terryzinc

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2 RBs Sergio Bellerin
3 LBs Alonso Balde Alba
5 CBs Christenson Pique Arujo Garcia Kounde
6 MFs FDJ Gavi Pedri Pjanic Busquets Kessie
2 LW Fati Ferran
2 RW Raphina Dembele
2 CF Lewi Depay

If you have a choice and can only win won it is the League that matters... CL is nonsense exhibition tournament... the League Championship is the real deal
 
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iniestaGOAT

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League football for Barcelona & other top teams is mainly a measure of how effective you are against inferior opposition. Leagues are won by which top team is most effective against inferior/non-European teams week in week out, as those are the majority of teams and therefore points you'll be playing for.

We only play Madrid 2 times out of 38 in the league, and almost all of the remaining 36 are average Liga minnows. That's where the points are picked up. You could lose to Madrid twice and still breeze the league if you pick up all the points from the bottom half.

CL tests your effectiveness against bigger and more evenly matched teams, and there are teams that consistently perform better in that format (Madrid) and ones that don't (City) year after year, showing variance doesn't really explain it well and that luck isn't a huge factor.

CL is a fucking cup completion and it's all about luck. It's the last thing that tests strength.

Now if they played ucl In a league format that would be the real test
 

Andresito

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Squad is stacked. There are like 4 players that are nailed starters, the rest are up for grabs.

I think the fact that the WC is mid season is why Xavi wants a big squad for the tight schedule we'll get soon.

Next year we can lighten the squad. Old guard will be leaving automatically. Players like Memphis and Bellerin probably also leaving on a free. Can potentially sell one of the wingers too and make some money if everyone are healthy.
 

iniestaGOAT

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Squad is stacked. There are like 4 players that are nailed starters, the rest are up for grabs.

I think the fact that the WC is mid season is why Xavi wants a big squad for the tight schedule we'll get soon.

Next year we can lighten the squad. Old guard will be leaving automatically. Players like Memphis and Bellerin probably also leaving on a free. Can potentially sell one of the wingers too and make some money if everyone are healthy.

Can't sell any wingers dembele will leave for free or we will have the whole drama again next season
 

Gnidrologist

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La Liga imo is a more accurate measure of a manager?s ability compared to the Champions league .. La Liga is 38 matches which shows your quality because it averages out good & bad luck across a huge number of games and also luck plays less of a factor as you play against everyone. Champions league is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you get
For Barca winning la liga isn't a great achievement. It's expected. Winning CL is a milestone and what puts the team on the map of all time greats. The way they win or loose is also important. It shows the comparative strength on the world scene.
 

Jay Jay

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This dude has like a first XI and a whole decent second XI.

We've gotten him everything from top players (Lewa, Raphinha, Kounde) to resigning key players (Dembele) to a whole bunch of supplementary parts. Not to mention Ansu coming back from injury.

Needs to deliver the league minimum, this season. And for that, he'll have to beat RM H2H.

With second XI, it would be possible to fight for the fourth place.

No excuses this year. He must deliver La Liga or Champions League. Maybe CL SF and Liga second place would be ok too.
 

ajnotkeith

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CL is a fucking cup completion and it's all about luck. It's the last thing that tests strength.

Now if they played ucl In a league format that would be the real test

That is an excuse because you think we won't do well in it. If we end up doing well or winning the CL, will you discredit our achievement as 'all about luck' and being 'the last thing that tests strength', to maintain your standard of it being meaningless?

Probably not, you will be spamming messages about the greatness of Xavi and Barcelona, so I don't see why you should discredit it just because we haven't done well in it recently. Everyone knows the CL is the biggest trophy.

We will have plenty of chances to prove ourselves. 2 games against Bayern, 2 games against Inter and the knockouts are two-legged. Will give us a decent sample size.
 
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khaled_a_d

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Coaches like Pep, Klopp & Zidane all said league is more important trophy.
It has nothing to do with "doing better" in it.
League is about being the better team on a weekly basis, CL is a trophy that you see your team play twice a month, with huge elements of luck and match ups.
 

fergus90

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Winning the CL holds no more weight than winning a league in my opinion. Getting the most points out of playing Real,Atletico,Sevilla, Villarreal and Bilbao x2 is no easier than slapping the likes of Dynamo Kiev and Club Bruges in the groups until you get a trickier tie in the Ro16, unless you finish first and then it's usually the likes of Porto or RB Leipzig.

It's a great competition but until the QF stage it's just a procession.

Juventus 96
Borussia Dortmund 97
Real Madrid 98
Real Madrid 2000
Real Madrid 2002
Ac Milan 2003
Liverpool 2005
Ac Milan 2007
Chelsea 2012
Real Madrid 2014
Real Madrid 2016
Real Madrid 2018
Chelsea 2021

All supposedly kings of Europe but didn't even win their league domestically. In some cases like Madrid in 2000, they finished 5th and won the CL.

So 13/29 CL seasons so far have been won by teams that didn't win their league.
 

Gnidrologist

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That is an excuse because you think we won't do well in it. If we end up doing well or winning the CL, will you discredit our achievement as 'all about luck' and being 'the last thing that tests strength', to maintain your standard of it being meaningless?

Probably not, you will be spamming messages about the greatness of Xavi and Barcelona, so I don't see why you should discredit it just because we haven't done well in it recently. Everyone knows the CL is the biggest trophy.

We will have plenty of chances to prove ourselves. 2 games against Bayern, 2 games against Inter and the knockouts are two-legged. Will give us a decent sample size.
Typical sour grapes instinct from usual suspects.
 
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