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iniestaGOAT
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iniestaGOAT
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This ass only copies things from twitter yet trying to be smarter than actual people who work for club
iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
Lol yes. All his posts are copied from somewhere.
Twitter trolls and youtube comments.
Twitter trolls and youtube comments.
serghei
Senior Member
If we can repeat the league title and go deep into the CL, then it would be a superb follow-up to this good season.
What will happen is our unreal consistency in the league will take a hit and we will get a real title fight with Madrid next season, but we'll be better in CL.
This season, the focus of the team in La Liga has been spectacular. When you win it, that tends to decline in the next season. Hopefully not enough and we will still manage to clinch another league title.
The only positive of bringing Messi back would be exactly that. With the good structure of the team in defense, and Messi in offense, we'll be very very hard to beat for the next La Liga by Madrid.
Also, Xavi has proven that he can be pragmatic when he wants, and can put in a very solid defensive team. There's a slight possibility, if Messi still has something left in the tank and if he comes back, to use this good defensive structure the same way Argentina did, and use Messi as the difference maker in offense for one more final CL push with him, following Argentina's recipe. Only thing that we miss is some Courtois clutch wonder-saves in these matches at the level of Bibu.
These are slim chances, but if Messi doesn't care for a big paycheck and wants one more shot at a glorious retirement from Barcelona, it's worth a shot for one season. It's not like we'll win CL next season without Messi anyway.
Signings for Getafe have been poor though.
i_bleed_blaugrana
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Let us start here. First I like to differentiate between developing a tactical system and game management when it comes to analyzing managers because they really are two different skills. I take exception equally when people say Xavi is poor tactically or gets outclassed. For me, I think where Xavi fits the bill currently for us is what he is doing in training and how he is redeveloping the quality of our play tactically. I implore you to watch these big matches from 2-3 years ago, compare them to now and you will see clear improvement in this regard.
Where I agree with your sentiments towards Xavi is with his game management which is clearly lacking still. He makes puzzling subs at times and relies too often on the strength of his system, the players finding the solution in the flow of the match and just our possession wearing them out in the end. Especially since he relies on youngins and he is literally teaching the foundations of positional play to a lot of new players, it is not a wise approach and it probably cost us namely against Inter and the first match against Real.
Basically I think he often gets his initial approach in matches right it is just how he reacts to the match evolution and his opponents adjustments that he lacks in. I think eventually the quality of his system over time and him learning from these mistakes is worth giving him patience on.
If he does not show signs of serious improvement however on his game management and his squad usage (his other main weakness imo) by next season however, I will also start to question his true viability here long term.
Considering what was available at the time when we appointed Xavi, there are only two real examples I can think of who genuinely could have worked here but one of them (Tuchel) would have needed Messi here and I doubt he could have handled a rebuild of this magnitude in a league he was fairly unfamiliar with without Messi.
For example, people think it is easy to walk La Liga (not saying you just in general here) and Tata had a great squad on his hands and largely fumbled it to Atleti due to his inexperience here. It is not a given a manager who is largely coming into the league as an outsider will have success, hell even Ancelotti struggled for a bit when he first joined Real domestically. So maybe for a short term, 2-3 year approach Xavi is not the pick but we have been doing manager roulette for the better part of a decade now and outside of maybe ETH, I do not think there was genuinely a stronger candidate for a long-term rebuild approach like this.
You stated how low of a level this team was before, that was off the backs of two very experienced managers who really had no clear idea on what sort of football they really wanted to play here, brought in quite a few players who were not good enough and not the right profile. It is not a safe assumption at all to think any quality or experienced manager could do this job effectively. Dembele is a great example: he has had 3 managers with more experience than Xavi and the one without this gold-standard experience is the one who really started unlocking him here. Riddle me that please.
Brighton have been ran much, much better over the last 5 years than we have. We were a fucking criminal money laundering front virtually until 2 years ago. The fact that they can lose a manager like Potter but replace him and key player departures well is due to them having a clear, definitive, long term idea of how they want to build their club. We are just now redeveloping a clear, cohesive sporting strategy from top to bottom, first time in over a decade. Just not a fair comparison at all despite the clout differences being in our favor.
And I fundamentally disagree on the pattern and style of play. Outside of how we finish our moves, I think even the big matches we have lost this season, I see a clear style and pattern of play that is effective. Like my bro, we created plenty of chances in Bavaria for example to win that game, only so much a manager can do when the players are not executing and letting the occasion get to them.
To conclude on his signings, again I hear your criticisms and concede it is far from perfect from him here. He needs to have a better idea on how he is going to get the most out of players, especially forwards, who are typically the most financially draining. He has been too trusting of these old heads who simply do not have the legs nor sheer quality anymore for his football and hopefully he learns that this season.
In his defense on the other hand, with the extensions that has a lot more to do with FFP to give us room to maneuver. Those alone are not an indication strictly of Xavi and decisions. If he keeps playing Roberto and Alonso in Europe next season, yeah we have a problem but it has not all been bad from Xavi transfer wise. Kounde would be better if he was not playing out of position so much and both Kessie and Auba were solid.
In sum, I just see more good than bad from him and while I can hear the criticisms and can see the validity in what you specifically are saying, he has done enough to earn at least one more season.
malvolio
Senior Member
Put a young hungry manager in Madrid and they will probably beat us to the league next season. They have a better squad than us that will be backed in the market by buckets of cash.
Xavi won't always have the luxury of a season like this one when many things went our way in the league. Aside from beating Madrid a few times, which seems to be more because of match up and the mindset, we haven't defeated a top team all season. Bayern, Man Utd(are they even that good?) and Inter(top just in name, they are bums) all dispatched us.
Atletico were terrible when we met them in the Autumn.
Xavi won't always have the luxury of a season like this one when many things went our way in the league. Aside from beating Madrid a few times, which seems to be more because of match up and the mindset, we haven't defeated a top team all season. Bayern, Man Utd(are they even that good?) and Inter(top just in name, they are bums) all dispatched us.
Atletico were terrible when we met them in the Autumn.
jamrock
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So let's get this right, our level was very low before we invested, that investment wins us to leave, and that's the bare minimum lol.
You would think Barca is bayern or PSG, where we just won the league title 10 years in a row, then he came in and just kept winning it, under those circumstances a lot of the dumb stick he gets here, from fans who apply these ridiculously high standards to the man that they don't dare apply to themselves would make sense.
For 3 years we won fuck all, new management comes in, and in the summer spent 170m, net spend was like no more than 40m.
For that you win your first league title in 3 seasons, that's what you call return on your investment & an extremely good start to a rebuild.
Let the idiots keep talking about, oh we don't play like Barcelona and we should have won the treble or at least competed for it, while playing champagne football,
give the money we spend, because that's the standard of Barcelona. ��
The question is which Barcelona? The Barcelona of the last 3/4 years, fuck no.
What money? Wolves bought an Atletico bench warmer for fucking 60m Euros, we spend 170 in the summer and are talking the 2nd best league on the planet.
No freaking sense of prospective.
You would think Barca is bayern or PSG, where we just won the league title 10 years in a row, then he came in and just kept winning it, under those circumstances a lot of the dumb stick he gets here, from fans who apply these ridiculously high standards to the man that they don't dare apply to themselves would make sense.
For 3 years we won fuck all, new management comes in, and in the summer spent 170m, net spend was like no more than 40m.
For that you win your first league title in 3 seasons, that's what you call return on your investment & an extremely good start to a rebuild.
Let the idiots keep talking about, oh we don't play like Barcelona and we should have won the treble or at least competed for it, while playing champagne football,
give the money we spend, because that's the standard of Barcelona. ��
The question is which Barcelona? The Barcelona of the last 3/4 years, fuck no.
What money? Wolves bought an Atletico bench warmer for fucking 60m Euros, we spend 170 in the summer and are talking the 2nd best league on the planet.
No freaking sense of prospective.
jamrock
Senior Member
So for every "big" team he's beaten their is an excuse or reason as to why? And it's not on merit, but every big team he's lost to it's because he's shit? No excuses given for him?.
Lewa didn't miss the open goal twice.
Pique didn't give inter 2 goals
We didn't play 2/3 games being down a couple of our players.
You can't have it both ways, you have to either give him credit for his wins or take some of the mitigating circumstances into consideration around his loses.
malvolio
Senior Member
It's a curious case I would say. The quality of play and some important results scream of him not knowing what he's doing.
And yes, it's baffling how you beat Madrid in the league once and get spanked in the cup after parking the bus. The glorified friendly I don't really count, unlike Xavi.
Atletico was terrible when we beat them.
Redbuck
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So lemme get this straight, Xavi is only good when he beats big teams in good form ??? If he loses or beats them when they're out of form, he gets the stick ??? Well, I won't blame you much since you're well known on this forum to be a pessimistic poster and always sees the bad side of everything.
Barcilliant
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HAHAHAHAHA. You would think we're signing Mbappe or Haaland from your enthusiastic tone!
malvolio
Senior Member
lol
i just don't see the positives going forward with him. winning the league in the current context is still a great achievement for him. but my feeling right now is that he'll get sacked at the end of next season. maybe i'm pessimistic, as usual...
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