What the fuck are you on about? Expectation is first.. we are Barca and current champions ffs.
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JamDav1982
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Dont agree.
Barca have as good a squad as Real.
Only a suprise last season to those who didnt believe in Xavi and players and over rated that Real side.
JamDav1982
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No it isnt 'expected'.
Barca expect to challenge and win league more so than finish second.
You have already told us Barca have no chance anyway as did last season so dont worry too much.
JamDav1982
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Exactly.
Barca expect to win.
Some said couldnt win last season.. Real still better and didnt try... and Barca cant win this season.
Thats 'expectations'...not ones anyone at club shares.
serghei
Senior Member
Doesn't matter. Current champions is not always favorite for the title. Surprises happen all the time.
Madrid were odds on favorites for La Liga title before the season started because they have a better team. Simple as that. Don't have to be genius to realize that on paper, the best team always has more chances to win. Even if they eventually don't.
JamDav1982
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Barca expect to win the league more so than expect to finish second.
Real do also...
More than one team can have same expectations.
The bare minimum is to compete but can stil do that and fail to meet ultimate goal.
Real were not odds on before season not that it is even all that relevant what bookies think as they dont put up odds on likelyhood only anyway. The bookies get things wrong all the time.
Bookies have Bayern ahead of Real for CL.. thats the 'vastly over rated' Bayern according to some.
That not relevant?
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serghei
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You use the term all messed up. Expectations is not "objective". It's the most likely scenario to happen. Of course every big team wants to win the title and that's their objective.
Realistic outcome this season though is City win the league in England, Madrid in Spain, Inter in Serie A, Bayern in Germany, PSG in France. The strongest teams in each are expected to win the title.
Napoli and Barca did great last season but they are not the strongest teams in their countries. Just because a team surpassed expectations in one season doesn't mean they are gonna do it again. It's very likely they won't.
That's all on paper. What will actually happen during the course of the season we shall see. Best indicator for expectations to win are betting odds. They make a living out of that.
Realistic outcome this season though is City win the league in England, Madrid in Spain, Inter in Serie A, Bayern in Germany, PSG in France. The strongest teams in each are expected to win the title.
Napoli and Barca did great last season but they are not the strongest teams in their countries. Just because a team surpassed expectations in one season doesn't mean they are gonna do it again. It's very likely they won't.
That's all on paper. What will actually happen during the course of the season we shall see. Best indicator for expectations to win are betting odds. They make a living out of that.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Nah you have it messed up.
Barca expect to win league as do Real.
It is not just a 'want' it is based of the squad and how beat Real to title by double digits last season.
How they meet those expectations will be shown by end of season.
Bookies had Real as 50/50 to win the league before it started not that it has much relevance.
Real may well win the league it should be close either way and as when Xavi gets credit when Barca win it he will be looked at if they dont.
ajnotkeith
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Nobody EXPECTS 2nd. You can ACCEPT 2nd depending on how it comes, but a club like Barca always expects to win the league.
If finish 2nd, for example, with 85+ points against a very strong Madrid then it can be fine as well and demonstrates progress even being 2nd. If falling away from the challenge early and letting Madrid win despite being poor then it's different.
If finish 2nd, for example, with 85+ points against a very strong Madrid then it can be fine as well and demonstrates progress even being 2nd. If falling away from the challenge early and letting Madrid win despite being poor then it's different.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
Bookies odds would also have Barca much better than likes of United, Spurs, Milan, Juventus that you hold up as being stronger opponents. Its preferable for you to make this argument because it kills your narrative about Barca vs other teams in Europe.
Neither did they favour Madrid that much. From what I recall it was almost even.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
You dont have a clue.
Keep telling us how Xavi is 'easily fooled, delusional and wont win diddly'.
You have no idea how bookies work.
Calma.
Keep pointing to bookies odds that contradict what you claim on Real and Bayern for CL.
Suits you and textbook Serghie to argue against himself.
malvolio
Senior Member
In FM words - The board expects you to challenge for the league title this season.
So finishing second won't get Xavi the sack. I would say there are some other factors that might, even if he finishes second in the league - poor tactics/football, poor European results, get knocked early in the Copa, no improvement in sight, signings flop, poor results against good teams etc.
So finishing second won't get Xavi the sack. I would say there are some other factors that might, even if he finishes second in the league - poor tactics/football, poor European results, get knocked early in the Copa, no improvement in sight, signings flop, poor results against good teams etc.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Serghie thinks Barca held a meeting to say 'we cant want the league and we cant expect to be favs for it as bookies say Real are evens'.
Bookies factor it all in anyway... coach included.
So its no real argument in support of Xavi either way.
Bookies factor it all in anyway... coach included.
So its no real argument in support of Xavi either way.
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