Xavi or Flick?

[Nucky]

With all due to respect to Xavi but its not even a debate.. Once again its shown world class player doesn't mean world class manager, there are only few who were both and sadly Xavi isn't one of them.. He's not a bad coach at all but he's just not that elite level like Flick,Pep,Klopp and elite club like Barca.. World Class player but to be honest a little above average coach.. That 22/23 season was his maximum as coach and he won the league but failed miserably in Europe.. He would probably be much better assistant than coach.. Or perhaps perfect for B team..

 

[Rassvet]

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[FC B]

Shit tread and poll, why not deleted by now?

 

[Temptation]

31-2 is hilarious 😆 😂

 

[serghei]

Flick is a superior manager. It's probably a matter of time until he overtakes Xavi in trophies.

 

[Zynaro]

Right now, I think it’s fair to say that Xavi isn’t a world-class coach—at least not yet.

His main strength seems to be spotting young talent and helping them grow, and honestly, that might be the only thing he was really good at.

When it comes to tactics, building a solid defense or attack, setting up pressing, or even the physical preparation of the team—he’s lacking. He also seems way too fixated on copying Pep’s style, even though it’s pretty clear that it doesn’t really work in today’s game the way it used to.

What really surprises me, though, is that despite everything he achieved as a player, he didn't manage to put together a strong coaching staff. Most of the people around him were either relatives or friends, which was disappointing.

 

[Maradona37]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882673810211848221

Obviously that's a bad video for Xavi and Barca, but still good football by Shakhtar. What a pass at 1.14 too - driven diagonal switch of play right between two Barca players to up the tempo.

 

[Temptation]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882673810211848221

That's horrendous. He has absolutely no idea how to coach a press. It's one thing being outplayed by the opponents' brilliance but totally different when you actively make it so easy for them.


Just look at the press here and how easy it is for Shakhtar to play through Barca. The pressing routine here is absolutely laughable.


Zero organisation, intensity and non-existent pressing triggers. So passive and confused.


Also, people forget that despite marketing himself as a "Barca DNA" coach and a Pep/Cruyff disciple, Xavi had zero clue on how to coach progressive patterns of play in possession. His tactics with the ball were very similar to Moyes at West Ham. So boring. This is a form of 'anti football' too. @Birdy


I hope he goes to United. Redcafe would annihilate him. 🍿

 

[Birdy]

That's horrendous. He has absolutely no idea how to coach a press. It's one thing being outplayed by the opponents' brilliance but totally different when you actively make it so easy for them.


Just look at the press here and how easy it is for Shakhtar to play through Barca. The pressing routine here is absolutely laughable.


Zero organisation, intensity and non-existent pressing triggers. So passive and confused.


Also, people forget that despite marketing himself as a "Barca DNA" coach and a Pep/Cruyff disciple, Xavi had zero clue on how to coach progressive patterns of play in possession. His tactics with the ball were very similar to Moyes at West Ham. So boring. This is a form of 'anti football' too. @Birdy


I hope he goes to United. Redcafe would annihilate him. 🍿

Yup.
He tried to play positional football with total rigidity, without understanding how to create space.

Of course, he has 0 chance at UTD
If Amorin and ETH who are each 100 times better coach than Xavi could not, Xavi will get humiliated there

 

[serghei]

After the Leganes match, it's the same thing .

 

[FCBfan22]

I'd put it this way:

Flick can be Xavi if needed.

Xavi could never be Flick.

 

[jamrock]

I'd put it this way:

Flick can be Xavi if needed.

Xavi could never be Flick.

Stunning

 

[serghei]

I'd put it this way:

Flick can be Xavi if needed.

Xavi could never be Flick.

Yep, pretty fair. Still, good we exercised Xavi ball in the past, so we can implement it when needed.

 

[ToranagaSama]

Obviously that's a bad video for Xavi and Barca, but still good football by Shakhtar. What a pass at 1.14 too - driven diagonal switch of play right between two Barca players to up the tempo.

People interpret whatever they want. Shakhtar are in their own half back and side passing most of the time and not progressing with short passes through Barca's blocks. If you switched jersey colours and the long diagonal at the end before the goal was a bit overhit and ended out of the field that entire scene would be mocked as "boring, clueless Barca passing sideways with no end result". Alas, 1 minute of backpassing followed by 2 long balls made their goal.

Of course Flick is a better coach now. Flick started coaching teams and getting experience when Xavi was literally 16. Flick worked and learned steadily in the background as an assistant during Germany's rise of the golden era from 2006 onwards. From coaching Victoria Bammental (and relegating them lol) to working as the assistant trainer of the German golden generation to working as a sporting director it took him 23 years of learning until he took his first elite team head coach job at Bayern.

Xavi after being a player got 2 seasons in Saudi Arabia as a coach then took over a Barca in shambles that was sitting in 7th place post Messi. What are we even comparing? Do you compare a professor with 20 years experience to a Bachelor student?

Still got Barca to 2nd place the same season then won the league the following season while promoting young talent. It was as good as we could have hoped for at the time, I can't shit on him for not being an elite coach during his first 5 years. Xavi can still become a great coach in the next 10 - 15 years.

Flick can also still fail. A lot of times the offside trap could have gone differently this season by a hair and another slump like in December when points were dropped in 6 out of 7 consecutive games can quickly make Barca go from "treble is ours" to 0 trophies. It's how Germany sacked him (for the first time in German history that a coach got sacked by the way) for not winning 5 games in a row with the 2nd worst point tally in German history.

So yeah, margins from greatness to flop can be super slim sometimes. But right now there is no comparison. Flick is far more experienced and has studied the Barca style for the past 20 years. The entire Germany/Bayern/Dortmund golden generation is built on learning from the Spanish/Barca era after 2008 Euro Cup loss. No surprise he is a natural fit at Barca.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

People interpret whatever they want. Shakhtar are in their own half back and side passing most of the time and not progressing with short passes through Barca's blocks. If you switched jersey colours and the long diagonal at the end before the goal was a bit overhit and ended out of the field that entire scene would be mocked as "boring, clueless Barca passing sideways with no end result". Alas, 1 minute of backpassing followed by 2 long balls made their goal.

Of course Flick is a better coach now. Flick started coaching teams and getting experience when Xavi was literally 16. Flick worked and learned steadily in the background as an assistant during Germany's rise of the golden era from 2006 onwards. From coaching Victoria Bammental (and relegating them lol) to working as the assistant trainer of the German golden generation to working as a sporting director it took him 23 years of learning until he took his first elite team head coach job at Bayern.

Xavi after being a player got 2 seasons in Saudi Arabia as a coach then took over a Barca in shambles that was sitting in 7th place post Messi. What are we even comparing? Do you compare a professor with 20 years experience to a Bachelor student?

Still got Barca to 2nd place the same season then won the league the following season while promoting young talent. It was as good as we could have hoped for at the time, I can't shit on him for not being an elite coach during his first 5 years. Xavi can still become a great coach in the next 10 - 15 years.

Flick can also still fail. A lot of times the offside trap could have gone differently this season by a hair and another slump like in December when points were dropped in 6 out of 7 consecutive games can quickly make Barca go from "treble is ours" to 0 trophies. It's how Germany sacked him (for the first time in German history that a coach got sacked by the way) for not winning 5 games in a row with the 2nd worst point tally in German history.

So yeah, margins from greatness to flop can be super slim sometimes. But right now there is no comparison. Flick is far more experienced and has studied the Barca style for the past 20 years. The entire Germany/Bayern/Dortmund golden generation is built on learning from the Spanish/Barca era after 2008 Euro Cup loss. No surprise he is a natural fit at Barca.

Xavi walked so flick could run