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Luftstalag14
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A scary outcome that TotalBarca predicted, I hope it will not be true. 
http://www.totalbarca.com/2014/opinion-pieces/first-impressions-goalkeepers/#ixzz3GRD1LIYb
http://www.totalbarca.com/2014/opinion-pieces/first-impressions-goalkeepers/#ixzz3GRD1LIYb
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
If he leaves then he leaves, nothing can be done about that if it happens. If he goes on to beast it up at another team then I'll be happy for him regardless of his departure.
For now I would send him out on a loan, actually, I would like him to try and force a loan move. Would be great for both parties. He'll get a team where he'll get to play regulary and develop while we won't lose out on him. Win-Win.
For now I would send him out on a loan, actually, I would like him to try and force a loan move. Would be great for both parties. He'll get a team where he'll get to play regulary and develop while we won't lose out on him. Win-Win.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
The worst of this as the article states at the very end goes on Masip. He has been awesome for Barca B and would have been a very competent 2nd keeper I believe, but the management had another plans thus they requested for Bravo's signing. Now Bravo is the first choice, ter Stegen still the 2nd choice, but what about poor Masip? 3rd GK. He got no chance.
He thought this would be his chance for Barca, but it ended before it even started. Nominated for the best GK in Liga Adelante last season and a keeper im sure many La Liga teams would have loved to have is now gonna be a bench rider for the entire season.
He thought this would be his chance for Barca, but it ended before it even started. Nominated for the best GK in Liga Adelante last season and a keeper im sure many La Liga teams would have loved to have is now gonna be a bench rider for the entire season.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
I am not sure how I feel about it. On one hand I like the idea of an loan so he gets to play more; but on the other hand such a move would send out clear signals to many that Bravo is the undisputed No.1. I still think it is too early to say that, and I want MAtS to fight for his chances.
I hope the board/club would somehow intervene and tell Lucho that MAtS is clearly the future of our club and needs to be played and retained, regardless of the current situation.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Yeah, poor Masip. For him I'd not hesitate to send him out on a loan.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
But Bravo is the undisputed No. 1.
If he does very well on a loan like Courtois then he'll sit with an ace in his hand just like the Belgian. He'll either come back if promised to get a chance or else he'll leave for another team.
Bravo is the coaching staff's signing and relatively young for a GK so he is going nowhere for the forseeable future.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Bravo is just 1 year younger than Cech while he isn't at same level like Cech,doesn't have such long history with the club etc,if MATS had anywhere the success that Courtois had last year it should be easy decision to bring him back and make him number 1
Lucho is smart coach who wants success If Stegan is as good as advertised and prove that on a loanI am sure he will make the right decision
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Flavia
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He should go on loan, like courtois did. Losing MAtS for Bravo, in the long run, would be too stupid.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Regardless is a tough word.
You are assuming that Mats will play and that he will be awesome in the current, his 1st Season.
Again, what if he will make a lots of rookie mistakes, or mistakes because he is not too familiar with La Liga and because he doesn't know the language?
What if more likely options for the current Season are:
1. we play Bravo, an experienced La liga Gk, and we win La Liga
-- but we will probably lose Mats in the future
2. we play Mats and lose a title to Real by 2-3 points because of Gk's mistakes
-- but we will get a long-term Gk for the future
Neither answer is "the right one".
But again, we are Barca. Current titles and the current team is a No1. The team is more important than any player.
Would it be fair to lose a title (fair towards Messi, Ney, Suarez and other players), only because we will get a Gk for the future (who may, but who also may NOT turn into anything special in the future)?
Also, what if Messi decides to leave because we are not winning titles anymore? Or Neymar, for example?
There is also an option to play Mats now, to lose the title, plus that he won't turn into anything special later even though we forced him to play, and even though we lost the title because of that.
A lose-lose situation.
Again, try to look from Lucho's position now.
If he will have bad results, he will be sacked after one Season.
If you have only one chance, only one Season as Barca's coach, would you play with the safe bet (Bravo currently), who is playing very well for now.
And that way you have decent chances to win the La Liga title.
Or, would you play Mats (because he is "the future") and possibly ruin the current Season, lose one more year in Messi's prime, and in the end, you would probably be sacked as a coach?
When you put everything on the table, is it worth to risk everything REGARDLESS on how Mats will perform?
Again, I also love Mats, but Barca, titles and the whole team are much more important than a single player.
Especially if he is yet unproven player in La Liga.
He will have to wait for a chance and we will see what happens.
If Mats leaves, we will buy De Gea or someone else in the end.
It is not like we will lose all good GKs in the world if one player leaves the team.
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Perhaps his recent Bild interview answers some of the leaving worries:
Q: Have you settled well in Barcelona?
MAtS: I feel very good there. At the start however, there were a few things that were a bit unlucky. After I had fared well in preseason I had good chances to start in la liga, but then I picked up an injury at a very bad time. But then again, there's no good time to pick up an injury anyway.
Q: Bravo hasn't conceded yet - do you have to hope for a blunder from him now?
MAtS: In training I make it very hard for the coach to decide between us. I want to establish myself at Barcelona. I got to play in the Champions League twice already, that was a great experience.
Q: But you slipped against PSG, the press was having a go at you.
MAtS: I don't have a problem with that. I'm realistic enough to analyse my performance regardless of the media, I can reflect that rather well. And I improve every day, because I'm training with such top players day in, day out.
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/m...glich-von-messi-und-neymar-38135328.bild.html
Granted, players can say all kind of bullshit, but he doesn't sound disencouraged/worried at all to me. (Another thing I gathered from this is that 1) Lucho did indeed consider MAtS as the starting gk for la liga before he got injured and 2) Lucho hasn't told Bravo/MAtS that one would be the definite starter for LL, the other for CL etc., regardless of whether he has made that decision or not.)
On the topic though, why would MAtS leave if he keeps playing the CL? We all agree that it isn't the best of ideas, but there's been no indication yet that Lucho plans to let Bravo take over the CL as well.
Ditto, even without a loan spell, it's not like Bravo is some impossible competition for the next few years
He hasn't transformed into Neuer, and 32 at the end of the season isn't that young either (at least not for all types of keepers). Next season things can and probably will look very differently. Bravo's record so far should see him start all/most LL games for the time being, but it doesn't cement him as the undisputed starting keeper for the "unforeseeable future", let alone next few seasons, at all.
Q: Have you settled well in Barcelona?
MAtS: I feel very good there. At the start however, there were a few things that were a bit unlucky. After I had fared well in preseason I had good chances to start in la liga, but then I picked up an injury at a very bad time. But then again, there's no good time to pick up an injury anyway.
Q: Bravo hasn't conceded yet - do you have to hope for a blunder from him now?
MAtS: In training I make it very hard for the coach to decide between us. I want to establish myself at Barcelona. I got to play in the Champions League twice already, that was a great experience.
Q: But you slipped against PSG, the press was having a go at you.
MAtS: I don't have a problem with that. I'm realistic enough to analyse my performance regardless of the media, I can reflect that rather well. And I improve every day, because I'm training with such top players day in, day out.
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/m...glich-von-messi-und-neymar-38135328.bild.html
Granted, players can say all kind of bullshit, but he doesn't sound disencouraged/worried at all to me. (Another thing I gathered from this is that 1) Lucho did indeed consider MAtS as the starting gk for la liga before he got injured and 2) Lucho hasn't told Bravo/MAtS that one would be the definite starter for LL, the other for CL etc., regardless of whether he has made that decision or not.)
On the topic though, why would MAtS leave if he keeps playing the CL? We all agree that it isn't the best of ideas, but there's been no indication yet that Lucho plans to let Bravo take over the CL as well.
Ditto, even without a loan spell, it's not like Bravo is some impossible competition for the next few years
He hasn't transformed into Neuer, and 32 at the end of the season isn't that young either (at least not for all types of keepers). Next season things can and probably will look very differently. Bravo's record so far should see him start all/most LL games for the time being, but it doesn't cement him as the undisputed starting keeper for the "unforeseeable future", let alone next few seasons, at all.
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BBZ8800, your argument's flawed (again). But its gotten too repetitive and mundane for me to even bother anymore.
On a lighter note,
Here's Leno and Steg. (no points for guessing who's who) Baby Timo in the mean time was having his nappy done.
Seriously tho, Leno has a point. Why is a Bravo back up considered over a contemporary who plays on a more regular basis? He hasn't yet received a senior cap either, and I always thought he did. Is his russian conn. a deterrent for the DFB? One BL fan suggested that Leno should accept putin's offer if he receives one. lol
On a lighter note,
Here's Leno and Steg. (no points for guessing who's who) Baby Timo in the mean time was having his nappy done.
Seriously tho, Leno has a point. Why is a Bravo back up considered over a contemporary who plays on a more regular basis? He hasn't yet received a senior cap either, and I always thought he did. Is his russian conn. a deterrent for the DFB? One BL fan suggested that Leno should accept putin's offer if he receives one. lol
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Flavia
Guest
Perhaps his recent Bild interview answers some of the leaving worries:
Q: Have you settled well in Barcelona?
MAtS: I feel very good there. At the start however, there were a few things that were a bit unlucky. After I had fared well in preseason I had good chances to start in la liga, but then I picked up an injury at a very bad time. But then again, there's no good time to pick up an injury anyway.
Q: Bravo hasn't conceded yet - do you have to hope for a blunder from him now?
MAtS: In training I make it very hard for the coach to decide between us. I want to establish myself at Barcelona. I got to play in the Champions League twice already, that was a great experience.
Q: But you slipped against PSG, the press was having a go at you.
MAtS: I don't have a problem with that. I'm realistic enough to analyse my performance regardless of the media, I can reflect that rather well. And I improve every day, because I'm training with such top players day in, day out.
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/m...glich-von-messi-und-neymar-38135328.bild.html
Granted, players can say all kind of bullshit, but he doesn't sound disencouraged/worried at all to me. (Another thing I gathered from this is that 1) Lucho did indeed consider MAtS as the starting gk for la liga before he got injured and 2) Lucho hasn't told Bravo/MAtS that one would be the definite starter for LL, the other for CL etc., regardless of whether he has made that decision or not.)
On the topic though, why would MAtS leave if he keeps playing the CL? We all agree that it isn't the best of ideas, but there's been no indication yet that Lucho plans to let Bravo take over the CL as well.
Ditto, even without a loan spell, it's not like Bravo is some impossible competition for the next few years
Thanks for sharing. Hopefully he is patient.
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