1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[Chainsaw]

So who will play the CWC as the GK? If MatS plays in both Super Spanish Cup and UEFA Super Cup finals poor Bravo probably never plays a final with Barcelona.

 

[barcanuck]

So who will play the CWC as the GK? If MatS plays in both Super Spanish Cup and UEFA Super Cup finals poor Bravo probably never plays a final with Barcelona.

There you go that's 5 more games for MAtS than last year that's perfect. If Bravo has howlers then MAtS will get the reign. Until then business as usual.

Iker declined because Mou sat him for being against the Mendes clan. Cech for benched because Mou couldn't stand seeing Simeone have Cortouis so he brought him back to screw Cholo. You watch Cech will be great for Arsenal and Iker for Porto.

 

[DonAK]

That's still 5 more games spread all over in the schedule along with the Copa and CL. That's assuming he'll get to play all those games if we win yet another treble.

If you want a young GK to develop and gain consistency then you need to give him a chance to do so and playing every week in the league is what enables him to do that. Bravo is more than experienced enough to handle sporadic game time.

Besides, it's not like Bravo has something to stake claim on the Cups either. You're making it sound like ter Stegen will undeservedly take the League. Using the same logic, Bravo will undeservedly take the Cups.

If not this season then next season there have to be a switch of role. Must be. Otherwise we may as well sell him as I don't think he'll love getting games here and there, a long-term option for a short-term option and have to dive into the market again in a few years for another GK, and probably be prepared to pay much more than the 12m we paid for ter Stegen.

Either that or loan him out like Chelsea did with Courtois. Thibaut Courtois would have sure as hell not become the GK he is today had Chelsea chosen to keep him and given him the CL and FA, Carling Cup games.

Neither would De Gea have become what he is today had Ferguson decided to ditch him to the Cups and brought in another GK to play the PL.

Take a look at Oblak last season as an example. Shaky. Not confident at all. Then Moya got injured and he got 11 LL matches on the trot. He grew in confidence and had a couple of great games and will probably be their first choice in the League next season. That's what consistency does to you.

De Gea, Courtois, Oblak all in the same age group as ter Stegen.

Look at the massive difference in minutes played between Bravo and ter Stegen.

ter Stegen with Copa del Rey and Champions League - 1890 minutes

Bravo - 37 La Liga games - 3330 minutes

You cannot simply compare two GKs when one plays a lot more than the other and the one who plays less also don't do that consistently, but has a sporadic game time schedule.

Stats: http://estaticos.sport.es/resources...s-enrique-temporada-2014-15-1433847020088.jpg

 

[anguy]

If you want a young GK to develop and gain consistency then you need to give him a chance to do so and playing every week in the league is what enables him to do that. Bravo is more than experienced enough to handle sporadic game time.

Or he can play ol CL and Cup games and some La Liga games in winter/when there are gaps in cup competitions. That way he'll get the consistent playing time and Bravo can still play +/- 30 La Liga games.

 

[KyletheMuslim]

He needs to play in la liga this season or we will cripple his development

 

[Kerrybai]

Of course you'd say that, you wanted to loan out the keeper that went on to win the Copa and the CL

Bravo's passing game is nowhere near ter Stegen's. Stegen can hit a pass to past midfield and should even have gotten an assist for it, if it weren't for those flag happy refs.

Yes a loan would be perfect. It's very risk playing a keeper in just the cups as the playing time is so sporadic. I don't know why you hate Bravo so much, we have 2 world class keepers, yet you can't see past you crush on Ter Stegen. 1 keeper for all competitions is the best option.

 

[serghei]

I think rotating keepers is fine, because we are Barcelona and we don't concede chances to score that easily. FFS Bayern didn't have one single shot on target on Camp Nou, and we're talking about a Champions League semifinal here. A team like Barca usually makes the keeper from the other team work harder than our own keeper (exceptions can happen, of course).

I don't think we should switch. Ter Stegen must show some maturity and understand that Bravo is a great keeper like he is. He is young and has time. Plus, he gets to play in the most amazing and unique competition, which is the CL, so it's not like he is 2nd option, because 2nd options don't play in the hardest games.

He didn't play as much as Bravo last season, but he did play the more important and bigger games than Bravo. How about that? Playing a CL final is something only few keepers get to experience, especially at his age.

Bravo's consistency and experience in Spanish football make him the best option for La Liga. Stegen's insane reflexes and his ability to save almost certain goals make him the best for a Cup-type competition like Copa del Rey or Champions League. I say we don't overthink this. We should change only the things that are not working right.

 

[Zangash]

Yes a loan would be perfect. It's very risk playing a keeper in just the cups as the playing time is so sporadic. I don't know why you hate Bravo so much, we have 2 world class keepers, yet you can't see past you crush on Ter Stegen. 1 keeper for all competitions is the best option.

I don't hate Bravo at all, actually. Just because I'd like to see ter Stegen play more doesn't mean I have anything against Bravo. Just because I rate him higher doesn't mean I think Bravo isn't good too.

You can not deny that Bravo is much older. He won't be able to give us anything close to the amount of quality years in goal as Mats will, and if you really do believe both to be world class, the best option is to let the younger keeper be the one for all competitions. Although that's not even what I'm hoping for. I just would like to see them switch roles. It'd be the most fair option.

 

[Flavia]

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[Darko]

If he played all the cup competitions this year, would he get almost as much playing time as Bravo in the league?

 

[DonAK]

If he played all the cup competitions this year, would he get almost as much playing time as Bravo in the league?

If Bravo play as many La Liga games as last season(37) and ter Stegen play all cup competitions including the forthcoming Super Cups AND reaches the final of CDR, CL and CWC, then he'd still be behind him in minutes played. 990 minutes less.

 

[Kerrybai]

I don't hate Bravo at all, actually. Just because I'd like to see ter Stegen play more doesn't mean I have anything against Bravo. Just because I rate him higher doesn't mean I think Bravo isn't good too.

You can not deny that Bravo is much older. He won't be able to give us anything close to the amount of quality years in goal as Mats will, and if you really do believe both to be world class, the best option is to let the younger keeper be the one for all competitions. Although that's not even what I'm hoping for. I just would like to see them switch roles. It'd be the most fair option.

His age doesn't bother me. 32 is still young for a goalkeeper. Think of keepers like Buffon and Van der sar.

 

[Zangash]

His age doesn't bother me. 32 is still young for a goalkeeper. Think of keepers like Buffon and Van der sar.

Not every keeper is able to play at a high level until that age, and one good season from Bravo is far from enough evidence to suggest that he himself will.

 

[DonAK]

His age doesn't bother me. 32 is still young for a goalkeeper. Think of keepers like Buffon and Van der sar.

If the club see Bravo as someone like Buffon who can be a starter for atleast 5-6 years then there's no point in even having ter Stegen and he'd probably think the same. Sell him, use the money on other reinforcements and place Masip as back-up.

 

[KingMessi]

If the club see Bravo as someone like Buffon who can be a starter for atleast 5-6 years then there's no point in even having ter Stegen and he'd probably think the same. Sell him, use the money on other reinforcements and place Masip as back-up.

I don't think they will see Bravo as that type of player. Else they'd have given him the number 1 shirt.