1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[Hamzah]

Can't way for the day when Bravo is in goal and we concede 4-5 Goals. I bet everyone's gonna blame the defence then. Right?

That won't happen

 

[FC B]

It's the defence but I don't like at all this Stegen I see since Bravo got injured.

 

[evilhita666]

Can't way for the day when Bravo is in goal and we concede 4-5 Goals. I bet everyone's gonna blame the defence then. Right?

It depends... If the defense play like today then yeah, we will concede 4 or more goals everytime we play like today regardless of who is the GK...

 

[Sumlit]

Sumlit why are you taking the piss out of my point?

Because I hate Bravo, didn't you hear?!

 

[DonAK]

I'm not gonna do a frame by frame breakdown, lol. My point stands and other people agree with me on that point, bravo is a more mature and assured leader and the defence rarely capitulates when he's in the net.

Why? Since you're so certain. Don't give a shit about whether other people agree with your point. Maturity and confidence have nothing to do with this. How would Bravo avoid the defenders from making 2-3 individual mistakes leading to 1v1 with having more than enough time to line up their finish. That's what you were alluding. That he would save those shots or organize the defence to not let it happen so instead of making generic comments and parroting others, why not just cut the BS and atleast see what you're replying to or talking about before hitting that reply button.

I'm not even arguing about maturity or instilling confidence. You said he wouldn't let those 1v1 happen or save those shots. How would he make the defenders avoid making those mistakes leading to those 1v1s?

Whether he instills more confidence in you, I can't argue against since it's entirely subjective. Only asking you about the first part.
I won't deny that Bravo might be more mature than ter Stegen at the moment. Whether he intills more confidence among the defenders or not, I don't know since I've not spoken with any of the defenders in our team.

 

[Icarium]

Mats is not the only one to blamed. Defense share much bigger blame here. But it is my opinion that bravo could do much better than mats.

 

[Sea_of_Frost]

Why? Since you're so certain. Don't give a shit about whether other people agree with your point. Maturity and confidence have nothing to do with this. How would Bravo avoid the defenders from making 2-3 individual mistakes leading to 1v1 with having more than enough time to line up their finish. That's what you were alluding. That he would save those shots or organize the defence to not let it happen so instead of making generic comments and parroting others, why not just cut the BS and atleast see what you're replying to or talking about before hitting that reply button.

Being the leader of a team won't save you from individual mistakes. The only way MAtS could've stopped them, was doing a Kahn and yelling at them to get their shit together. Oh, and slap Pique & Alves for good measure so that they realize the magnitude of their errors.

Sorry, I meant to quote the other person. Just take this as an addition to [MENTION=15376]DonAK[/MENTION] 's point.

 

[serghei]

Because I hate Bravo, didn't you hear?!

I think "doesn't like" is the expression I used.

 

[evilhita666]

There was nothing of the sort last season. And as it was the 1st season, it would had make sense if that happened back then. Bravo is the better gk now, no doubt. 5 years ago he was suffering howlers like the one Villa scored on him in the wc, but he learned. This slaying of mats remind me of what happened to Valdes many times... And he wasn't to blame today. If it was Bravo there today, the defense would be rightfully blamed. Pique most of all, he was really bad. No gk can do much when the defense fail him like that.

I have said many times now that poor Mats had absolutely nothing to do with any of the goals today... Piqué and co. sacrificed him to the goalkeeping gods (read Bravo) and whoever doesn't see that is a fool...

That doesn't take away the fact that there's an increased feeling of security when Bravo is on goal compared to Mats... What's the reason, who knows? Personally, I think it's communication...

 

[Sea_of_Frost]

I have said many times now that poor Mats had absolutely nothing to do with any of the goals today... Piqué and co. sacrificed him to the goalkeeping gods (read Bravo) and whoever doesn't see that is a fool...

That doesn't take away the fact that there's an increased feeling of security when Bravo is on goal compared to Mats... What's the reason, who knows? Personally, I think it's communication...

I agree with that. MAtS isn't fully equipped to communicate with the defense. Maybe he still hasn't mastered the language, or he has too much repect for Pique and Masche, who are team leaders.

 

[Hamzah]

Why? Since you're so certain. Don't give a shit about whether other people agree with your point. Maturity and confidence have nothing to do with this. How would Bravo avoid the defenders from making 2-3 individual mistakes leading to 1v1 with having more than enough time to line up their finish. That's what you were alluding. That he would save those shots or organize the defence to not let it happen so instead of making generic comments and parroting others, why not just cut the BS and atleast see what you're replying to or talking about before hitting that reply button.

I'm not even arguing about maturity or instilling confidence. You said he wouldn't let those 1v1 happen or save those shots. How would he make the defenders avoid making those mistakes leading to those 1v1s?

I won't deny that Bravo might be more mature than ter Stegen at the moment. Whether he intills more confidence among the defenders or not, I don't know since I've not spoken with any of the defenders in our team.

When bravo is in goal, the defence plays better. His leadership means defenders are more focused and relaxed (and in a better defensive shape). A more alert and calm player is less likely to commit an individual error.

 

[Sumlit]

I think "doesn't like" is the expression I used.

Because I don't like Bravo, didn't you hear?!

 

[DonAK]

When bravo is in goal, the defence plays better. His leadership means defenders are more focused and relaxed (and in a better defensive shape). A more alert and calm player is less likely to commit an individual error.

You clearly don't have much to say or have any basis for this, but I'll take it and hold you up for it whenever a player of ours makes an individual mistakes when Bravo's in goal.

 

[Hamzah]

You clearly don't have much to say or have any basis for this, but I'll take it and hold you up for it whenever a player of ours makes an individual mistakes when Bravo's in goal.

Obviously it can happen, but less likely when bravo is there.

 

[serghei]

You clearly don't have much to say or have any basis for this, but I'll take it and hold you up for it whenever a player of ours makes an individual mistakes when Bravo's in goal.

Actually, you have it. When Busi passed the ball to the Malaga player. But then watch Bravo how he starts gesturing towards his teammates to be more careful. In comparison to that, Stegen is like a 6 year old child who only talks when he is asked. Bravo is a much stronger character and a leader. Stegen is not. Not yet at least.