DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Don't tell me you've never seen ter Stegen point out to a player to look after the opposition player or his positioning/marking?
I can give you examples from the game today.
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Don't tell me you've never seen ter Stegen point out to a player to look after the opposition player or his positioning/marking?
I can give you examples from the game today.
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Flavia
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When the defense plays well, like last season. They played well with whoever was in goal.
But when they didn't, mistakes also happened for Bravo.
Catta
Senior Member
Can't wait for the day when Bravo is in goal and we concede 4-5 Goals. I bet everyone's gonna blame the defence then. Right?
what kind of a Barca fan can't wait for the day that we concede 4-5 goals
KingLeo10
Senior Member
the self-righteous kind.
serghei
Senior Member
I can tell you that Bravo is a leader and Stegen is not. That comes from experience first, and personality type 2nd. Experience is often underrated.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
That's what not I asked, but okay.
I'm not even disagreeing on the experience aspect btw.
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Alarcón
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Of course you could argue that none of the goals were his fault. But that's not really the point, is it? If we're happy with goalkeepers not being at fault for any goal, we are content with mediocrity. Great goalkeepers save shots that you wouldn't expect them to. I can't recall a single save this season where I thought: 'Wow, it's good to have ter Stegen in goal'. And I really don't think all shots on our goal this season have been unstoppable.
I love the kid and have been a supporter of his ever since he joined here. I was even happy when Bravo got injured because I thought MatS would have his chance to cement his place in the starting line up now; and that was after I had criticised him for what he did against Athletic. But he is just not playing well. Calling people "haters" does not help anyone, it just makes you look stupid.
I love the kid and have been a supporter of his ever since he joined here. I was even happy when Bravo got injured because I thought MatS would have his chance to cement his place in the starting line up now; and that was after I had criticised him for what he did against Athletic. But he is just not playing well. Calling people "haters" does not help anyone, it just makes you look stupid.
AnnieSureshot
New member
Crappy midfield straining the shaky defence, leaking balls at an inexperienced goalkeeper. Basically when things go south you can't really depend on him. Bravo has almost 10 years of experience more, so I'd feel more confident with him in the goal. I'd say in this particular game with Bravo we'd be more like 3-1 down...
George_Costanza
Active member
Bravo>>MATS
some of the goals you can blame the defence but others on Mats and really stupid mistakes like positioning.
some of the goals you can blame the defence but others on Mats and really stupid mistakes like positioning.
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Flavia
Guest
Keylor's been good for years. He's a very experienced keeper.
Co0ter
Senior Member
You can argue that none of the goals were is fault today, and that he wasn't inclined to save them. That is fair. However, what I have seen from Mats this season are huge mistakes out of the blue, when our defense isn't playing bad and a lot of goals that he couldn't do much about, that "werent his fault".
Bravo made some mistakes too, and there were many goals that you couldn't blame him for letting in....but there were also plenty of great shots, that we couldn't blame him if they went in, but he stopped them.
Ter Stegen just hasn't been doing that for us at all. How many times has he came up big on a good shot or made a great play? I've seen some huge mistakes and he has been poor for his standards with his feet this season too.
Some people are just making excuses for him in the end. He just hasn't been good this year. He needs to improve, a lot. I honestly can't wait for Bravo to get back, he's not ready yet.
Bravo made some mistakes too, and there were many goals that you couldn't blame him for letting in....but there were also plenty of great shots, that we couldn't blame him if they went in, but he stopped them.
Ter Stegen just hasn't been doing that for us at all. How many times has he came up big on a good shot or made a great play? I've seen some huge mistakes and he has been poor for his standards with his feet this season too.
Some people are just making excuses for him in the end. He just hasn't been good this year. He needs to improve, a lot. I honestly can't wait for Bravo to get back, he's not ready yet.
Jadentheman
Active member
I thought he was gonna be our GK. he fell to the German in Barca curse
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I am not buying a story how Mats just isn't guilty for anything.
-- the defense was guilty
-- xx, yy, zz (too many players already this Season) scored the best goal of their career against us
-- blah, blah
I am looking at it this way:
= you know how some attackers need 10 chances to score one goal
-- and they are always either unlucky, Gk makes an incredible saves, their shots hit the post or are inches wide
= and then, on the other hand, there are guys like Messi or XX players who will score 3-4-5 goals from the same amount of chances (the furst guy scored 1 goal from 10 shots)
-- well, some guys are just scoring (people will say that they are either lucky, scoring tap ins, well positioned, scoring deflected goals or who knows what)
-- while other guys will just struggle and struggle with scoring
The same is with Gks.
-- some are always "lucky"
-- opponents are hitting posts, opponents slip when they see our Gk, or our Gk makes a wonder/or lucky save with a head, foot, knee, who knows what
On the other hand, some other Gks are just always "unlucky", and on every match they concede insanely spectacular goals.
I am not saying that Mats is (that) bad, or that he wasn't good last season, or that he won't turn out to be good in the end, but currently something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with him.
This isn't just being unlucky.
He is doing a lot of things wrong, he is always positioned wrong for a few inches, his reactions are constantly a few miliseconds too wrong/too slow and it seems that the defense and him are not clicking too well currently.
Plus, he has that body language that is constantly saying something like:
"I couldn't do anything about that goal. I won't jump... what's the point? You can't do anything, I can't save that shot. The shot was too good..."
-- the defense was guilty
-- xx, yy, zz (too many players already this Season) scored the best goal of their career against us
-- blah, blah
I am looking at it this way:
= you know how some attackers need 10 chances to score one goal
-- and they are always either unlucky, Gk makes an incredible saves, their shots hit the post or are inches wide
= and then, on the other hand, there are guys like Messi or XX players who will score 3-4-5 goals from the same amount of chances (the furst guy scored 1 goal from 10 shots)
-- well, some guys are just scoring (people will say that they are either lucky, scoring tap ins, well positioned, scoring deflected goals or who knows what)
-- while other guys will just struggle and struggle with scoring
The same is with Gks.
-- some are always "lucky"
-- opponents are hitting posts, opponents slip when they see our Gk, or our Gk makes a wonder/or lucky save with a head, foot, knee, who knows what
On the other hand, some other Gks are just always "unlucky", and on every match they concede insanely spectacular goals.
I am not saying that Mats is (that) bad, or that he wasn't good last season, or that he won't turn out to be good in the end, but currently something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with him.
This isn't just being unlucky.
He is doing a lot of things wrong, he is always positioned wrong for a few inches, his reactions are constantly a few miliseconds too wrong/too slow and it seems that the defense and him are not clicking too well currently.
Plus, he has that body language that is constantly saying something like:
"I couldn't do anything about that goal. I won't jump... what's the point? You can't do anything, I can't save that shot. The shot was too good..."
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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
Why isn't Bravo playing? Is he injured or are we just trying to build MATS's confidence?
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