1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[God Serena]

Not really. We were this shitty against Valencia at home last season, but we didn't concede, because the keeper saved us on different occasions. The keeper can very well be man of the match, or among the best players on the night. It's just that Ter Stegen can't be that at this point, because the confidence is not there and because he is not ready to be a full time Barca keeper.

It's one thing to commend your goalkeeper for singlehandedly saving the day, but to count it as a negative that he couldn't? How absurd. Whether he has the confidence or not there are very few keepers who would have done better in Vigo than he did. Bailing the team out is one thing, but pulling magic out of the hat is another. Demanding the former is a little unfair, but is understandable. Demanding the latter and chalking it up to "Confidence" when he can't deliver isn't just unfair, it's madness.

He can't make a tough save even if his life dependeded on it. I am sorry that is how I feel.There might be no difference in the talent, mats might be better in that but the difference in experience is clearly visible. Mats is mentally not ready to be a full time keeper. Too much uncertainty in his mind, every time I see his face I feel like he is playing forcefully. No joy whatsover, needs some clean sheets to bring back the confidence and smile.

He can and he has made plenty of tough saves. He's been hung out to dry in our toughest starting string of games that I can remember in a very long time but it doesn't make him a bad keeper. Bravo when he first started out here could barely even clear the ball or pass it to a teammate without entering a panic. Having a solid defense in front of him every week and actually playing games in that time is what made him gain the confidence we see now. Do you really think that if Mats had been playing all this time as originally intended he'd be in the situation he is in now? Don't make me laugh.

 

[zanela]

Corner flag?

I know, right? The lengths some ppl go..

That was last season

You originally made a blanket statement. But then you have been a stegen basher since long. And the problem with you lot is that you tend to overlook his good work and magnify anything that can reflect him in a poor light. There are those who can appreciate both keepers and criticise them without taking sides, and there are some who do so with an agenda.

And since we are talking about tough saves, his save against Lewa is always the first thing thats brought up, and rightfully so. It shits on anything that was seen in Europe last season. But, he also made some bl'dy good saves outside of it. Hard to believe?

There was one twitch save against Apoel.

The funny thing is if you made top 3 saves of stegen and Bravo from last season. It won't be a straight forward one even for the staunch Bravo proponents.
And let's not forget the german did so when playing half the gametime of Bravo's.

@Serghie

You're right. Keeper can make match winning saves, and be the Motm. But the example you provided is from matchday 32. So thats 31 matches under Bravo's belt. His first worthwhile save came in matchday 13 (Valencia away).
DDG needed two full-fledged season in a new league to start delivering motm performances. And even for someone of his experience and acclaim, he had a very poor start to last season's campaign, one of which was conceding 5 against Leicester, and the ManU fans at the time on RC were complaining how every shot on target was a goal for the opposition.
The point is you can't expect a young keeper who's only played 20 non- Liga games in a debut season in a new league/country to make an immediate impact on his liga debut the following season. If you can find me one similar example that proves otherwise, I shall stop posting on this thread.

I made the MAtS-DDG thread in jest. But looking at the keeper carousel, and constant witch-hunt of one of them, I'm really leaning towards such a transaction. MAtS can play on a weekly basis, and his mistakes would be more tolerated in a transitional ManU, whilst the uncertainity in Barca's goal will finally come to an end by having an undisputed #1 for the foreseeable future. The haters can then take a hike.

 

[AnfieldEd]

If you think in 4-5 years time that he will be world class then you have to stick with him. Of course during that time mistakes will be made, but that is part of developing as a player and learning from those mistakes. It's when those mistakes are a regular occurrence that there is a problem.

 

[Icarium]

Ter stegen basher? I am sorry I am not blind to something that is clearly obvious here. Hater is a big word you guys are throwinh around lately. It sucks to get scored like that I want the team I support to not concede goals like that. And bravo has so far done very well and people are saying he should start ahead of mats and that is all. If that sounds like hate towards mats I mean what the hell.... I don't even understand what bravo has done to you guys. He has been nothing but exceptional since last season and he deserves to start ahead of mats who just couldn't capitilize his chance. I get it, he is young and makes mistakes and can become much better but it shouldn't come at the cost of team results. As long as we win it doesn't matter but we start losing flaws become too visible. We would stick with mats and he would improve no doubt but only when we have someone like pinto as backup. But no we have an amazing goal keeper like bravo. I have never been a mats hater, I was a great admirer of him and even wanted him to get some LA liga minutes last season but after seeing bravo play so well time and time again I changed my opinion.

I still don't mind mats sticking with LA liga and bravo playing in CL. If he improves all is good. But lets not pretend that he has been doing his best lately okay?!

 

[Icarium]

The main areas where mats needs to improve

1) His positioning, lately it is little bit off
2) His reflexes, most of the goals he conceeded he reacted too slow not saying he could have saved them or anyone else.
3) Judgement, when to come out and when not to... I won't comment on when he should come out of the line during the general play and I don't see much problem in that. But sometimes in corners he makes the most silly decisions. He goes ahead to collect the ball with uncertainty. Like he is not clear what he is doing
4) Last but not the least his confidence, a clean sheet here could help.

Bravo is not more talented than him but he has experience and confidence on his side. If he was also performing average this wouldn't even be a qquestion but the thing is he has been doing better and if mats makes mistakes continuously it is something to think about. Start bravo and loan mats and hope it turns well. Sorry for the double post.

 

[zanela]

Ter stegen basher? I am sorry I am not blind to something that is clearly obvious here. Hater is a big word you guys are throwinh around lately. It sucks to get scored like that I want the team I support to not concede goals like that. And bravo has so far done very well and people are saying he should start ahead of mats and that is all. If that sounds like hate towards mats I mean what the hell.... I don't even understand what bravo has done to you guys. He has been nothing but exceptional since last season and he deserves to start ahead of mats who just couldn't capitilize his chance. I get it, he is young and makes mistakes and can become much better but it shouldn't come at the cost of team results. As long as we win it doesn't matter but we start losing flaws become too visible. We would stick with mats and he would improve no doubt but only when we have someone like pinto as backup. But no we have an amazing goal keeper like bravo. I have never been a mats hater, I was a great admirer of him and even wanted him to get some LA liga minutes last season but after seeing bravo play so well time and time again I changed my opinion.

I still don't mind mats sticking with LA liga and bravo playing in CL. If he improves all is good. But lets not pretend that he has been doing his best lately okay?!

No one is pretending he's been doing his best lately. But statements like "he cannot make a tough save if his life depended on it" doesn't equate to ever being an admirer. And when he put in a good performance last season ppl like yourself went missing. And now that he's been underperforming, just like everyone else in the team, he's been constantly singled out everytime. I'm sure he'll be burnt at the stake once again for a collective fck up, if there is another one tonite.

The same defense argument is a flawed one, but it continues to be used to make one keeper look bad.


Anyway, DDG for Barca#1

 

[poncirus]

Well, it's the usual thing with fans today, an over the the top response after few bad performances. Every player gets the same treatment. Why are you so bothered about this particular player? He will be alright, he's young and talented.

Bravo on the other had lynch mob on his back after day 1, for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

It was embarrassing from the start and still is, just stop and let it go.

 

[Icarium]

Bravo on the other had lynch mob on his back after day 1, for doing absolutely nothing wrong. .

This basically...

 

[valonquar]

Mats' luck . His clean sheet was so near

 

[Kuchi]

Decent game. To the bench now

 

[DonAK]

He'll play vs Bayer Leverkusen too. Bravo is expected to be back in a week against Sevilla.

 

[Observer]

It's one thing to commend your goalkeeper for singlehandedly saving the day, but to count it as a negative that he couldn't? How absurd.

Agreed

Bravo when he first started out here could barely even clear the ball or pass it to a teammate without entering a panic.

The only real blunder I've seen so far from Bravo was against Napoli (preseason 2014)

And the problem with you lot is that you tend to overlook his good work and magnify anything that can reflect him in a poor light. There are those who can appreciate both keepers and criticise them without taking sides, and there are some who do so with an agenda.

Bravo on the other had lynch mob on his back after day 1, for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Funny, was about to same thing. The table turns and now everyone is sentimental, hard to believe huh?

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

He should beat Masche up for that stupid mistake.

 

[Icarium]

Can't believe his luck.

 

[DonAK]

Was quite pissed off and so was Lucho.