Barcafan 2304
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Please I love reminiscing about past success
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Please I love reminiscing about past success
serghei
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The Guardian: Bayern Munich came back from a half-time deficit to save face, if not the tie, against Barcelona.
The only thing they got after the Munich game was some pride back, something they never had the courtesy to give us in the return leg from 2013.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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Usually I'm the one who accuses others of their inability to read and comprehend, but this time it seems I did misread. I remembered you saying (as you did in the past) that Bayern only won because Barca let them etc, which at least in the post I quoted was not directly the case. Actually, with the original statement, at least in the regard to what is in question, there is nothing wrong as indeed the tie was essentially over at that point, especially with tS making that save against Lewandowski, which buried even the last of hopes.
As for the rest, is all speculation (why Barca lost that match, of course one is free to believe whatever he or she pleases, but one should not dare to claim anything else than to state one's personal belief in regard to that scenario), and the claim that Barca dominated 3/4 of the tie, while you even admit in the same posting, that the 1st half of the 2nd leg was evenly matched (mostly due to Barca's ability to penetrate with high pace counter attacks more than actually being an equally dominant force on the pitch), was utter horseshit, as that means that they dominated only half of the tie, which by all measures of FACT and not speculation, was true and what actually transpired.
Catta
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They didn't get their pride back, they don't have pride to begin with, just like their fans have no class, and can't admit when there are completely outmatched and outclassed.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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Yeah, whatever floats your boat. You are welcome to tell yourself whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
btw, rarely ever seen such a pathetic posting with no basis in fact or reality on barcaforum in regard to a different club. But maybe that's just me.
serghei
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I don't think I've ever put it in these terms "Bayern won because Barca let them". But your result in Munich is much like Arsenal 2-0 win on the Allianz. Bayern didn't actually let Arsenal win, but the big advantage of the 3-1 win in England made you treat the game easier and Arsenal got a nice win for their fans as a result. It was the same for us in that CL semifinal, we won that tie, then we switched off, and Bayern took advantage and won the night for their fans. But no, Bayern's fans are not happy with that.
And we did dominate you on Camp Nou, both in the first and 2nd half. Suarez (that one was huge), Neymar and Alves all missed clear chances to score and if not for Neuer you could have been 2 down by HT easily.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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I'm very certain you at the very least insinuated it on several occasions (yet I'm too lazy to actually actively look for proof to rub it in your face, so let's just leave it at that
).I never disputed the fact that Barca did win in dominating and convincing fashion in the first leg. I never even insinuated such thing other than all three goals were the direct result of individual errors on the Bayern team (Bernat, Boateng, Schweinsteiger). But then most goals in football are result of individual errors. So that doesn't really factor in regarding what I said before about Barca's win in the first leg.
Your comparison to Bayern-Arsenal is lacking. Bayern were the dominant team against Arsenal, even in the return leg, yet were unlucky not to convert their own chances while Arsenal managed to catch them twice on the counter (with a few more good opportunities afterwards tbh).
The similarities to Barca-Bayern return leg are essentially not there other than what you want to read into it, meaning the cause of the eventual result, a Barca loss. That however, let me put it as bluntly as possible: is little more than speculation and not fact or truth. We don't KNOW what Barca and Bayern players were thinking at that time, what caused them to be brilliant or incapable in certain moments. We can assume, but that doesn't automatically make it so.
And nothing else ever bothered me about the perception of that match around here.
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I'm very certain you at the very least insinuated it on several occasions (yet I'm too lazy to actually actively look for proof to rub it in your face, so let's just leave it at that
I never disputed the fact that Barca did win in dominating and convincing fashion in the first leg. I never even insinuated such thing other than all three goals were the direct result of individual errors on the Bayern team (Bernat, Boateng, Schweinsteiger). But then most goals in football are result of individual errors. So that doesn't really factor in regarding what I said before about Barca's win in the first leg.
Your comparison to Bayern-Arsenal is lacking. Bayern were the dominant team against Arsenal, even in the return leg, yet were unlucky not to convert their own chances while Arsenal managed to catch them twice on the counter (with a few more good opportunities afterwards tbh).
The similarities to Barca-Bayern return leg are essentially not there other than what you want to read into it, meaning the cause of the eventual result, a Barca loss. That however, let me put it as bluntly as possible: is little more than speculation and not fact or truth. We don't KNOW what Barca and Bayern players were thinking at that time, what caused them to be brilliant or incapable in certain moments. We can assume, but that doesn't automatically make it so.
And nothing else ever bothered me about the perception of that match around here.
Bayern was tactically inferior for, at the very least 150-160 minutes ,in those two games...
Ter Stegen I good Goalkeeper and have a bright future. He has a problem with confidence for what happened recently, however all defence failed and, Andrea did less mistakes than others, and isn't fair to made all of this negative coments in his address.
Furthermore, he has proved his selves last season in champions league where won challenge for best goalkeeper. While on of the best of his game was against Bayern, with those unbelievable saves.
Furthermore, he has proved his selves last season in champions league where won challenge for best goalkeeper. While on of the best of his game was against Bayern, with those unbelievable saves.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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No, for 180 minutes at the very least! Their excellent opportunities and also their goals in the second leg were the result of sheer luck and divine dispensation.
PS: And that's all I'm going to say about that match here from now on as the thread has already been derailed enough by this discussion.
Kerrybai
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Why does so much hyperbole surround his performance? 3 world class saves?? where? I only see 1.
Barcafan 2304
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I hope Stegen makes it but still makes me wonder how so many here have felt so protective and jump to his defence. Dress it up how you like, he has been poor this season, being beaten twice from the halfway line is not bad luck but poor keeping and he has a lot to prove
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Ryu Hayabusa
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The commentator even remarks "great save" or "great header" (by Schweinsteiger) in the other instances. Granted, those are not "greatest save of the season" stuff, like the one you admit to be world class, but those were still very dangerous opportunities to score.
Kerrybai
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What header? You mean the one on 7 minutes in the video? Mate my Granny would have saved that
He made one great save while conceding 3 goals, hardly a world class performance.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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Yeah, I bet my life savings she would...
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