1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[Flavia]

Bravo is quiet because he can lose everything, he's old and he knows that he came to barca as a solid backup so ofc now he must be very happy even if he's not playing in cl.
Mats on the other hand wants to play more, he's young and unsatisfied and if playing as the undisputed n1 means a move to liverpool or atletico or dortmund he will take it.

Bravo would have plenty of clubs to choose from now, if he wanted to leave.

 

[barcafan161]

question is who do we choose thats the question. Bravo is better right now but need to think long term too

 

[Flavia]

question is who do we choose thats the question. Bravo is better right now but need to think long term too

They're in the same level right now. I don't see Bravo having any kind of edge on him. Just experience.

 

[Yannik]

Bravo signed for Barca knowing that MatS is there and they're going to compete. Why would he complain about that now?
Other than that, didn't he actually say that he wants CL games?

 

[Luftstalag14]

Because that's when they signed a goalkeeper that is as good as Ter Stegen despite the latter being out injured for only 2 matchdays. I don't buy someone as only a backup, if he's actually as good or even better than the one I initially went for.

Hold on, when did we buy Bravo? And what's wrong with buying a backup keeper who is actually good enough to start for us? The last thing we want is when Valdes was injured and the backup keeper Pinto, a really good person that I really like, was not good enough.

You guys are lucky to have Neuer, the best in the world and he never gets injured. If he is out, I am not sure if Ulreich will be able to save Bayern's ass like Neuer does.

 

[Yannik]

Hold on, when did we buy Bravo? And what's wrong with buying a backup keeper who is actually good enough to start for us? The last thing we want is when Valdes was injured and the backup keeper Pinto, a really good person that I really like, was not good enough.

You guys are lucky to have Neuer, the best in the world and he never gets injured. If he is out, I am not sure if Ulreich will be able to save Bayern's ass like Neuer does.

After you bought Ter Stegen.
There is nothing wrong with it from the club's sportive perspective, but for Ter Stegen it's awful and it's also not fair from the club to not inform him of such an idea when he gave his signing agreeing to a 5-year contract.
It's selfish from the board, signing a player, luring him with wrongful expectations, and then expect him to shut up about it, just because he's getting trophys by playing a match once or twice a month.

 

[Luftstalag14]

After you bought Ter Stegen.
There is nothing wrong with it from the club's sportive perspective, but for Ter Stegen it's awful and it's also not fair from the club to not inform him of such an idea when he gave his signing agreeing to a 5-year contract.
It's selfish from the board, signing a player, luring him with wrongful expectations, and then expect him to shut up about it, just because he's getting trophys by playing a match once or twice a month.

Hold your horse Yannik. You are making some wild accusations here. Says who the premise of Ter Stegen's signing is that the club would not and could not buy a good backup keeper? And the club has to inform him of them buying another keeper? Was it explicitly stated in his contract? Luring him? Come on. You made it sound like Barca intentionally signed him knowing that he would not be the starting keeper but told him otherwise. That is NOT TRUE.

Selfish from the club? Come on. The board's job is to make sure FC Barcelona succeeds on and off the pitch. The board's primary responsibility is not looking out for the interest of every single player. I am sure that is the case in Bayern too.

Again, from what I understand, Ter Stegen was bought with the full intention that he would be the No.1 goalkeeper. Bravo was to be the backup keeper, or the alternative keeper who was bought for his experience to step in for Ter Stegen he did, when TER STEGEN WAS INJURED. Now, you can blame the board and Luis Enrique for not going back to Ter Stegen after he recovered as the starting keeper when Bravo did a great job stepping in for him all you want (I certainly wouldn't), but to suggest there was some sort of a conspiracy or trickery involved to sign Ter Stegen, lying to him when they actually wanted Bravo to be the starting keeper in the first place is nuts.

It was unfortunate that he got injured and the turn of the events that followed it. But Bravo had to step in and he did a great job doing so. I hope the club will figure out something to pacify both of them but if we lose one of them, so be it.

Who are the next biggest GK talent in the horizon anyway? Anybody?

 

[DonAK]

Who are the next biggest GK talent in the horizon anyway? Anybody?

As if we'll sign another one.

 

[Luftstalag14]

As if we'll sign another one.

Well, we have to at some point, right? Two, three years from now?

What do we do when Bravo's form dips? Masip steps in?

 

[DonAK]

Well, we have to at some point, right? Two, three years from now?

What do we do when Bravo's form dips? Masip steps in?

Maybe we'll pay 40m for some GK in a couple of years.

 

[KingMessi]

Well, we have to at some point, right? Two, three years from now?

What do we do when Bravo's form dips? Masip steps in?

We won't get somebody like Ter Stegen. If there's one thing Zubi knew, it's goalkeepers. And I don't know if Unzue could pull another rabbit out the hat like that.

 

[KingMessi]

Hold your horse Yannik. You are making some wild accusations here. Says who the premise of Ter Stegen's signing is that the club would not and could not buy a good backup keeper? And the club has to inform him of them buying another keeper? Was it explicitly stated in his contract? Luring him? Come on. You made it sound like Barca intentionally signed him knowing that he would not be the starting keeper but told him otherwise. That is NOT TRUE.

Selfish from the club? Come on. The board's job is to make sure FC Barcelona succeeds on and off the pitch. The board's primary responsibility is not looking out for the interest of every single player. I am sure that is the case in Bayern too.

Again, from what I understand, Ter Stegen was bought with the full intention that he would be the No.1 goalkeeper. Bravo was to be the backup keeper, or the alternative keeper who was bought for his experience to step in for Ter Stegen he did, when TER STEGEN WAS INJURED. Now, you can blame the board and Luis Enrique for not going back to Ter Stegen after he recovered as the starting keeper when Bravo did a great job stepping in for him all you want (I certainly wouldn't), but to suggest there was some sort of a conspiracy or trickery involved to sign Ter Stegen, lying to him when they actually wanted Bravo to be the starting keeper in the first place is nuts.

It was unfortunate that he got injured and the turn of the events that followed it. But Bravo had to step in and he did a great job doing so. I hope the club will figure out something to pacify both of them but if we lose one of them, so be it.

Who are the next biggest GK talent in the horizon anyway? Anybody?

Yo Luft, none of us know what goes behind closed doors at Barça. So you can't say it's not true for certain either.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Yo Luft, none of us know what goes behind closed doors at Barça. So you can't say it's not true for certain either.

Well, sure, but I'd say the burden of proof is not on me though. The club is innocent until proven guilty.

Look, no Barca fan is happy to see him leave and trust me when I say I am one of his biggest fans and the day he leaves will make me more devastated than a lot of people. But we have to plan for the worst as I am truly not sure if Luis Enrique and the club will just change things up with the two of them in order to retain Ter Stegen, as some folks here have suggested. I hope that would be true.

 

[Yannik]

Hold your horse Yannik. You are making some wild accusations here. Says who the premise of Ter Stegen's signing is that the club would not and could not buy a good backup keeper? And the club has to inform him of them buying another keeper? Was it explicitly stated in his contract? Luring him? Come on. You made it sound like Barca intentionally signed him knowing that he would not be the starting keeper but told him otherwise. That is NOT TRUE.

Selfish from the club? Come on. The board's job is to make sure FC Barcelona succeeds on and off the pitch. The board's primary responsibility is not looking out for the interest of every single player. I am sure that is the case in Bayern too.

Again, from what I understand, Ter Stegen was bought with the full intention that he would be the No.1 goalkeeper. Bravo was to be the backup keeper, or the alternative keeper who was bought for his experience to step in for Ter Stegen he did, when TER STEGEN WAS INJURED. Now, you can blame the board and Luis Enrique for not going back to Ter Stegen after he recovered as the starting keeper when Bravo did a great job stepping in for him all you want (I certainly wouldn't), but to suggest there was some sort of a conspiracy or trickery involved to sign Ter Stegen, lying to him when they actually wanted Bravo to be the starting keeper in the first place is nuts.

It was unfortunate that he got injured and the turn of the events that followed it. But Bravo had to step in and he did a great job doing so. I hope the club will figure out something to pacify both of them but if we lose one of them, so be it.

Who are the next biggest GK talent in the horizon anyway? Anybody?

What makes you think Bravo was just a "back-up" keeper? He was one of the best keepers in the league already. It was clear that they would be competing, I don't buy that you haven't seen this coming when he was appointed. Barca gave green light for a long term playrole for him, when Ter Stegen hasn't even played a single competetive match for Barca yet and ter Stegen's injury lasted WEEKS at best. It wasn't like he was out the entire first half of the season.
Yes, it's the boards job to ensure that Barca works, after all no player is bigger than the club. But that doesn't excuse them from luring players like that. That IS selfish. I know that there are wrong and right reasons for Barca to appoint Bravo and that he had also deserved the playtime, but from Ter Stegens perspective alone this was simply a punch in the face, and we all know it. This is singlehandedly supported by the fact that he is now giving an interview about his unsure intentions about a future at Barca.

This is simply what it looks like to me: Barca signed Ter Stegen, a young upcoming keeper, after Valdes decided to leave. He looked good at Gladbach, but Barca was aware that this is a risk and a possible flop would be lethal. So in order to cover their own asses, they decided to go with a second goalkeeper, an experienced one on Ter Stegen's level. Not as just a back-up, but as actual competition to see who actually performs better. After all it was a piece of safety for just 10m. It's no doubt a smart move from the board, the signing of Bravo was absolutely great. It just wasn't great for the other goalkeeper who signed earlier had no idea, that Barca is now doing the same that Madrid had done earlier with Casillas and Diego Lopez.

 

[Luftstalag14]

What makes you think Bravo was just a "back-up" keeper? He was one of the best keepers in the league already. It was clear that they would be competing, I don't buy that you haven't seen this coming when he was appointed. Barca gave green light for a long term playrole for him, when Ter Stegen hasn't even played a single competetive match for Barca yet and ter Stegen's injury lasted WEEKS at best. It wasn't like he was out the entire first half of the season.
Yes, it's the boards job to ensure that Barca works, after all no player is bigger than the club. But that doesn't excuse them from luring players like that. That IS selfish. I know that there are wrong and right reasons for Barca to appoint Bravo and that he had also deserved the playtime, but from Ter Stegens perspective alone this was simply a punch in the face, and we all know it. This is singlehandedly supported by the fact that he is now giving an interview about his unsure intentions about a future at Barca.

This is simply what it looks like to me: Barca signed Ter Stegen, a young upcoming keeper, after Valdes decided to leave. He looked good at Gladbach, but Barca was aware that this is a risk and a possible flop would be lethal. So in order to cover their own asses, they decided to go with a second goalkeeper, an experienced one on Ter Stegen's level. Not as just a back-up, but as actual competition to see who actually performs better. After all it was a piece of safety for just 10m. It's no doubt a smart move from the board, the signing of Bravo was absolutely great. It just wasn't great for the other goalkeeper who signed earlier had no idea, that Barca is now doing the same that Madrid had done earlier with Casillas and Diego Lopez.

Even if what you said above is all true, it still does not support your claim that Barca "lured" Ter Stegen. From what I understand, Ter Stegen was the board's signing at the recommendation/insistence of Zubi, signing him was being mulled long before Luis Enrique was hired and the subsequent signing of Bravo, who was seen as Luis Enrique's signing by some. That is why I believe the board had genuine intentions to have Ter Stegen as the starting keeper when they bought him.

The fact that Ter Stegen has been very forthcoming and very frank about the fact that he is very pissed right now does not support your claim that the club "lured" him either, or suggest any wrongdoing by the club. That might be just his personality that he chooses to be completely open about it. Of course I can understand why he is upset.

Again if he leaves I will be devastated but I wish him good luck elsewhere if he has to leave.