1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

Alarcón

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I'm sorry to say...but I cannot remember any of his excellent performance for us....compared to him Navas is like a cat on that goal line...probably saved RM from even greater depression.

Our opponents never have many chances and if they do, they're mostly from counterattacks or situations where we're outnumbered and they're 1 on 1 with the GK, i.e. the goalkeeper has a much harder time than keepers from teams who get dominated on the ball and have several shots coming their way, often from long distance, from different angles etc. Real Madrid is usually one of the latter, so it's easier for Navas to stand out, just like it is/was easy for Kameni, Caballero, Ochoa etc. Look at the 1st Wolfsburg-RM game to see what Navas would look like if he played for Barça.
 

Barcaman

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I'm sorry to say...but I cannot remember any of his excellent performance for us....compared to him Navas is like a cat on that goal line...probably saved RM from even greater depression.

Noone even mentioned how he was made look fool vs. Atletico when he just stood while that ball landed on the post.
He is nothing special as a goalkeeper. Strip him from his ball control (ofter playing with fire too) and he compares poorly against top gks.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
2. if Lucho stays for only 1 Season
= Mats has a huge chance to play in the next season, or "after Lucho"
3. if Lucho will quit this summer
= everything is open on a GK position under a new coach

So, imo, in a some strange way, our CL elimination is "good for Mats".
Barcelona will be a slightly different team from now on.
Some things will change, with or without Lucho.

While I agree with general points ,There is something I've to say
If a new coach signs , he will want to win at any expense since the fans of this team has very low tolerance for bad results
And this means he will use the best XI .which means there is bigger chance of MATS losing both CL&Liga spots since so far Bravo has been the better GK
For his own sake ,MATS should hope Lucho stay .
 

zanela

Senior Member
Our opponents never have many chances and if they do, they're mostly from counterattacks or situations where we're outnumbered and they're 1 on 1 with the GK, i.e. the goalkeeper has a much harder time than keepers from teams who get dominated on the ball and have several shots coming their way, often from long distance, from different angles etc. Real Madrid is usually one of the latter, so it's easier for Navas to stand out, just like it is/was easy for Kameni, Caballero, Ochoa etc. Look at the 1st Wolfsburg-RM game to see what Navas would look like if he played for Barça.

+1

It appalls me how some cules have such narrow perspective of the game. It's sad to see them discredit and undermine a player, given he's fighting against the odds with the way he's managed playtime wise, yet has stood his ground for the most part. Keylor in a similar situation looked a tier 2 keeper (see his first season at RM).

Talking about excellent performances:

Vs Roma (A), B04(A), Arsenal (A), Espanyol (A), Bilbao (A). Comfortably top 3 performer in the aforementioned games, and arguably outperformed Bravo in the sec half of the season (despite playing less). Even the Motm graph speaks so. MAtS has been top 3 CL keeper sec year running. He does fairly well statistically in comparison to the 'top' keepers. Looks like his detractors don't watch 'top' keepers on a regular basis, as being made to look the fool isn't only reserved to a young keeper being irregularly featured.

The Bravo-MatS debate has never been a reasonable one, as they have never shared a level playing field. The former despite form issues will continue to get opportunities to redeem performances (as I'm sure he will in the remainder of the games), whilst MatS doesn't enjoy the same privilege. The latter's contributions are often overlooked and even forgotten when the fan often dwells on the immediate past.
 
Neuer is already 30. If we go by average age of GKs when they decline, he may only have 3-4yrs left at the top( unless he goes the Buffon route). Germany has a sick line of GKs waiting in the wings.

All the more important it is for MAtS to get as much playing time to make best use of his talents.
 

God Serena

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Noone even mentioned how he was made look fool vs. Atletico when he just stood while that ball landed on the post.
He is nothing special as a goalkeeper. Strip him from his ball control (ofter playing with fire too) and he compares poorly against top gks.

What.
 

evilhita666

Barçapocalypse NOW!
Noone even mentioned how he was made look fool vs. Atletico when he just stood while that ball landed on the post.

I also noticed that but I think it has been discussed before so I didn't say anything... It happens way too often for me to be comfortable (happened plenty of times early in the season), sometimes it looks like he just gives up and stands there watching the ball...
 

Topolino

Gemusesuppe
Those fingertip, impossible saves come with confidence and match fitness imo.

Can't blame him for not having none of them imo.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
No one better at undermining their own players than BarcaForum.

Logic is fading away each day here.
 
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Jamie Cal

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Noone even mentioned how he was made look fool vs. Atletico when he just stood while that ball landed on the post.
He is nothing special as a goalkeeper. Strip him from his ball control (ofter playing with fire too) and he compares poorly against top gks.

Actually, I did. :lol: It wasn't the worst howler in the world, but he wasn't great and definitely not "one of the best on the pitch" or whatever.

That said, disagree with the second part. He's the perfect Barca goalie. At one point, in the CL he had 5.25 saves for every Barca goal. Guys Buffon and Neuer were at around 2.
 

Topolino

Gemusesuppe
He wants to play more? Oh god damn it Marc, work first, play later. Didn't your mom teach you?... wait.. his work is playing...
 

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