1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[Raketa10]

He is a good keeper and has potential to be one of the greatest keepers in the world. He is still young. Give him some credit ffs. People here have ZERO tolerance with young players.
Just look at the game against City at home, he was instrumental there. I was at the game and the save he made against Gundogan was unbelievable fast reaction, so he is not slow in any way.
He does mistakes but every young keeper tends to do mistakes. When Bravo came here he was 31 years old with a lot of experience. Be patient he'll be our wall for next decade and he will be great.

 

[BBZ8800]

He is a good keeper and has potential to be one of the greatest keepers in the world. He is still young. Give him some credit ffs. People here have ZERO tolerance with young players.

Barcelona can give some credit to young players if they are Rafinha, Denis and similar, who are squad players.
If they'll play consistently good, they'll get more chances.
If they'll play poor, they'll be benched, someone else, more consistent and better in this moment=will play and problem solved. Youngsters will get new chances again after a few weeks.

When you have a youngster as a key player on a key position, like a GK, then you have a problem and we have less time and less credits.

Barcelona is not Arsenal or Liverpool and we can't afford to lose 2-3-4 seasons and to develop a youngster till then.
Again, no player is bigger than a club and it is NOT worth to sacrifice whole team's success for a development of a single player.
If that player was young Messi, then that's fine to some extent.
But Mats is just a very good GK. With 10s of equally as good Gks around the world.

So, we are not exactly developing a new Messi, but a Gk who may end up as Leverkusen's level in the end.

So, youngsters who are currently squad players can get more credits, because they won't directly ruin club's success.
A youngster on a key position, oh well... either you'll play good right away or we'll buy someone else.

Mats wanted Bravo out, and he should have offered better performances after his pressure on board and coaches in the last 2 years.

When Bravo came here he was 31 years old with a lot of experience. Be patient he'll be our wall for next decade and he will be great.

You see, people don't like that since they are biased towards youngsters, but there is always a solution to buy 30-ish old, world class, experienced and proven Gks and have them for 3-4 years and then buy a new one.

But for majority of people, 3-4 years sounds as a "short term option" and as something "bad", while Mats and similar young players with potential sounds extremely exciting with that "we can have him for the next 10 years" obsession.

 

[mark1nhu]

He only saves shots aimed straight at his body...

That's not true.

You are entitled to your position and player's preference, but that is simply not true.

 

[Neeraj]

I want to give him this season before I write him off. But he hasn't been good so far. Sure, he might make one or two very good saves in certain games, but hey, ANY decent keeper will have games where they are instrumental. Look at all the keepers we have come across, they all seem to have the match of their lives.

The mark of a world class keeper is consistency. You've got to be stopping things people don't expect you to stop, day in and day out. Obviously, 1 mistake a game isn't anywhere close to good enough. Will all of this get better with time? One would hope so. However, I think we cannot give him more than this one season to prove himself, it's just too much of a risk at this point, when we still have GOAT messi who can almost win us titles single handedly.

 

[Neymessi]

God he is so unreliabile between the posts. Everytime the ball goes back and the opposition starts pressing him i piss my pants.

 

[evilhita666]

That's not true.

You are entitled to your position and player's preference, but that is simply not true.

That's obviously an exaggeration, but can you really say he has actually saved a considerable amount of difficult shots this season? Or even in the past season? In most of the goals we conceded (that were not entirely a gift from our defense) I always get the feeling ter Stegen could have done more... Sure, maybe you can dig up a save here and there, but they're too far in between... Sevilla's goal exposed his slow reactions once again, even though Vitolo's finish wasn't even that good, and that's been the case this whole season, almost any shot that requires any effort from him ends up in a goal against us...

I think this season, the sample of games and goals conceded is big enough to say he's just not making enough important saves, I'm not asking him to become superman, but it's hard to defend him when he has received a goal for every two or three shots on goal, or something like that...

 

[zanela]

There is this narrative being pushed by his detractors on how he's not been great or ever been the difference maker since his game @ the Allianz Arena, which can't be further from the truth. He's had plenty of great outings last season which includes, yes, making considerable amount of difficult shots, both in the CDR, as well as in the CL (Arsenal, Roma and BL) games.. Just because some of them ignore or fail to acknowledge it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. He's had his share of failings but also a significant positive reel. Admittedly, he's not been in greatest of form this season, and should up his game, much like the rest of the team.

Given his season so far, I was curious as to how he fares with his higher rated peers. And I must say I was surprised. Sure, it doesn't give an accurate picture, with all the variables involved. But it can't be completely overlooked either. Not sure if some of these forum favs are that much better, or really be a significant upgrade on him in her system, as some like to believe.

 

[God Serena]

That's obviously an exaggeration, but can you really say he has actually saved a considerable amount of difficult shots this season? Or even in the past season? In most of the goals we conceded (that were not entirely a gift from our defense) I always get the feeling ter Stegen could have done more... Sure, maybe you can dig up a save here and there, but they're too far in between... Sevilla's goal exposed his slow reactions once again, even though Vitolo's finish wasn't even that good, and that's been the case this whole season, almost any shot that requires any effort from him ends up in a goal against us...

I think this season, the sample of games and goals conceded is big enough to say he's just not making enough important saves, I'm not asking him to become superman, but it's hard to defend him when he has received a goal for every two or three shots on goal, or something like that...

Bravo in his last 6 months here wasn't performing any better but he's still hailed as an almighty god by some even after he fucks up and gets sent off playing against us.

 

[Horatio]

I think this season, the sample of games and goals conceded is big enough to say he's just not making enough important saves, I'm not asking him to become superman, but it's hard to defend him when he has received a goal for every two or three shots on goal, or something like that...

Let's be frank though..our defending has been piss-poor for some time.

 

[Raketa10]

Barcelona can give some credit to young players if they are Rafinha, Denis and similar, who are squad players.
If they'll play consistently good, they'll get more chances.
If they'll play poor, they'll be benched, someone else, more consistent and better in this moment=will play and problem solved. Youngsters will get new chances again after a few weeks.

When you have a youngster as a key player on a key position, like a GK, then you have a problem and we have less time and less credits.

Barcelona is not Arsenal or Liverpool and we can't afford to lose 2-3-4 seasons and to develop a youngster till then.
Again, no player is bigger than a club and it is NOT worth to sacrifice whole team's success for a development of a single player.
If that player was young Messi, then that's fine to some extent.
But Mats is just a very good GK. With 10s of equally as good Gks around the world.

So, we are not exactly developing a new Messi, but a Gk who may end up as Leverkusen's level in the end.

So, youngsters who are currently squad players can get more credits, because they won't directly ruin club's success.
A youngster on a key position, oh well... either you'll play good right away or we'll buy someone else.

Mats wanted Bravo out, and he should have offered better performances after his pressure on board and coaches in the last 2 years.



You see, people don't like that since they are biased towards youngsters, but there is always a solution to buy 30-ish old, world class, experienced and proven Gks and have them for 3-4 years and then buy a new one.

But for majority of people, 3-4 years sounds as a "short term option" and as something "bad", while Mats and similar young players with potential sounds extremely exciting with that "we can have him for the next 10 years" obsession.

So you would rather buy 30 year old GK evere 2-3 years than have one great GK for a decade??? What the hell do we sacrifice? We won CL with Ter Stegen on the goal! He was chosen in the CL team that season!!! He was GREAT agains Bayern when it mattered the most. On the other hand it was ok to have Valdes on the goal for 12 years! A guy who had brutal career after he left Barcelona! Oh wait he played 15 games after that. A real world class keeper! A guy who is incredibly mistake prone. But that was ok since he was La Masia graduate.

There are 10 young goalkeepers who are at his level?! Ok name them please.

Mats is for me great goalkeeper and he has potential to be the best one day. If you would rather buy for example Diego Alves ok but I wouldn't.

It would be ok to have some belief in our player every now and then and not jump down their throat after every single mistake. In the game against Sevilla he made one mistake after that corner and we didn't even concede. This forum is just unbelievable.

 

[Barcaman]

Bravo in his last 6 months here wasn't performing any better but he's still hailed as an almighty god by some even after he fucks up and gets sent off playing against us.

Stop lying, I didnt see anyone praising him as "almighty god" after our match.

How he plays outside Barcelona is irrelevant to Stegen debate anyway. He was world class for Barca and class above Stegen and probably 2-3 steps above to this season's Stegen.

 

[God Serena]

Stop lying, I didnt see anyone praising him as "almighty god" after our match.

How he plays outside Barcelona is irrelevant to Stegen debate anyway. He was world class for Barca and class above Stegen and probably 2-3 steps above to this season's Stegen.

You probably didn't see it because you were one of those who still claimed him to be better than Stegen despite the difference in their performances that night. I could easily say Stegen last season and the season prior was 2-3 steps above this season's Bravo, and I'd be right.

 

[Barcaman]

You probably didn't see it because you were one of those who still claimed him to be better than Stegen despite the difference in their performances that night. I could easily say Stegen last season and the season prior was 2-3 steps above this season's Bravo, and I'd be right.

You forgot to repeat how Bravo was poor for Sociedad.
How is that relevant to Stegen being poor for Barcelona this season?

 

[God Serena]

You forgot to repeat how Bravo was poor for Sociedad.
How is that relevant to Stegen being poor for Barcelona this season?

Bravo was pretty mediocre with Sociedad. You brought it up, not me.

It's all relevant because when Bravo was failing to put up his godlike performances that had earned him such high praise and the team started to slump, very few pointed the finger at him the way everyone is keen to point at Stegen. They're in an almost identical situation of the defense committing howlers constantly and not having much of an opportunity to put up a solid performance, yet funnily enough the problem with Mats is he's "Slow" and "Incapable", but with Bravo the general public here seemed pretty eager to excuse away Bravo's failing to bail us out in 2016 as mostly being on the defense. People still panicked at the thought of Mats being our number 1 even after Bravo didn't make a single save against Real Madrid, for example.

 

[BBZ8800]

So you would rather buy 30 year old GK evere 2-3 years than have one great GK for a decade???

There is a difference between having a world class Gk for 10 years, or just having "a Gk" for 10 years.

About a 2014/15 season, well even Neymar played like a next Messi back then.
Maybe our team was too good and on an insane hot streak (form, motivation, chemistry) back then that just every player played perfectly and some players looked way better than they actually are?

Further, about that CL campaign, we never even had a match with too many dangerous shots against us except an away match to Bayern and a final against Juventus.

On majority of other matches, Ter Stegen could have sit down on a grass and watch a movie on a mobile phone or something, because there were more or less zero dangerous shots against us.

Either way, why judging a player based on 1 season?
People often do that:
Mats played well in 2014/15, and meh after that.
= people assume that 2014/15's is a real Mats, and that a current Mats is just a poor form
What if a true Mats is in between 2015's Mats and today's Mats, for example?

Neymar, the same.
2014/15, when he played like a madman, people assume that it is a real Neymar.
When he plays poor like in 2016=people say that it is just a bad form.
Again, isn't it more likely that a true Neymar is both a guy from 2015 and from 2016, or something in between?

I could exaggerate and say: Mats could have 5 bad seasons in a row and people would say: BUT, he was awesome in 2014/15.
Ok, but he was poor after that.

We should calculate some average of all of his seasons, to get his real "form" in Barca.