1 - Victor Valdes

khorne

New member
So why did he continue? Do factory workers love their jobs? He should stop and think when giving interviews as those are meant for fans, average guys who have day jobs and fight to put food on the table, not his therapist.

Of course you can feel sad. But he's complaining a bit too much/acting as a victim and sounds removed from reality.

If you get that vibe than you should read the entire interview from the link that flavia has posted, or better yet, watch the whole thing on youtube if you can understand some spanish, because hearing VV talk for 45 minutes leaves a different impression than 4 translated sentences taken out of context.

He's not complaining/presenting himself as a victim at all, he just gives a very honest and open reflection of his sporting career, with the conclusion that there where good and bad parts, but ultimately he wouldn't choose that path again. One of the reasons, incidentally, being that he thinks football players are too disconnected from real life and that he couldn't go back to state of mind after he lived like a normal guy during his recovery. I think it was a very rare gem and a fantastic interview from a football player compared to all the cookie cutter garbage like "it was always my childhood dream to play for club x" that we get from other players.

Also, the whole fallacy of relative privation is getting annoying. If he didn't enjoy the professional football player life, for whatever reasons, than he is as entitled as your vaunted factory worker to say so if someone asks his honest opinion, especially when he has stated several times that it was more outside pressure than his own choice to become one.
 
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Flavia

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Isn't valdes kinda ruined with gambling debts or are those baseless rumors ?

There were rumors about his brothers ruining him, making bad investments. And they were the ones taking care of his money, family business, something with real estate. I read about it not long ago, and I think I posted it here. Should be somewhere in this thread.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Actually what Valdes wants is to somehow experience only the good parts of both worlds. He believes the normal (WTF does normal mean anyway? Normal compared with what?) world is great, only because he experiences it from a higher position than that of a normal man. Valdes uses the world "normal" like the standard rich person would, without having a fucking clue what he's talking about. He lives in a little bubble of his own, without having a real understanding about the standard of life on this planet in general.
 
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instinct

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Do so many celebrities become drug addicts and/or commit suicide by accident?

I'd appreciate if someone who doesn't live in a bubble on his own explained it to me.
 

serghei

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Do so many celebrities become drug addicts and/or commit suicide by accident?

I'd appreciate if someone who doesn't live in a bubble on his own explained it to me.

Define many. Does anybody keep track of how many normal people kill themselves? No. You know that Seymour Hoffman died because of heroin overdose, or that Amy Whinehouse died because of alcohol intoxication. But do you know how many normal people die because of things like that around the world every day? No.
 
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instinct

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Define many. Does anybody keep track of how many normal people kill themselves? No. You know that Seymour Hoffman dies of overdose, or that Amy Whinehous died because of alcohol intoxication. But do you know how many normal people die because of drug overdose around the world every day? No.

Was that my question? No.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Was that my question? No.

You said many celebrities become drug addicts and/or commit suicide. The number is very low. There were over 40.000 drug overdose related deaths in 2011 in the US for example. Maybe 5 of them involved celebrities.
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
This thread right here is Exhibit A why sports stars give the most bland answers possible.

Please barcaforum, continue to enjoy learning why Messi thinks MSN is a good trident, how it's been his childhood dream to play one game with Argentina and how his goals would not have been possible without his 10 other teammates.
 
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instinct

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You seem to have missed the actual point of my question, which is okay since it wasn't directed solely to you.

1.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicides + countless drug addicts among all celebrities in this world.

This makes me wonder how so many celebrities became depressed, angry, sad or unhappy with their life? I thought that money and admiration is enough?

2.)

Why did Robin Williams, who was loved by millions of people and who had fame and money, kill himself?
Why did Kurt Cobain do the same?
Why did so many others do it?

Shows how stupid people are, who dare to judge another person's life without even knowing what this person has gone through. It's easy to bash everything when you sit in front of your computer posting on a forum.
It's ridiciulous how you fast you guys jump to conclusions after an honest interview from a human-being which is probably not that different from you and me. You probably don't know what happened with his money (Flavia posted about it earlier). You probably don't know about the mental state of such a man who was forced to do something he didn't want to do in his chilhood (!) and you (and me) probably don't know how hard it is to be in the spotlight day after day.

Maybe Valdes doesn't know how it is to live a normal life but you don't know how it is to be a celebrity so please spare me this bullshit and continue judging every player by every single thing they do as if you were someone better.

Disgusting.

PS: Bringing up Enke in this discussion shows how ridiculous some people are. Great forum.
 

Alik

Moderator
Actually what Valdes wants is to somehow experience only the good parts of both worlds. He believes the normal (WTF does normal mean anyway? Normal compared with what?) world is great, only because he experiences it from a higher position than that of a normal man. Valdes uses the world "normal" like the standard rich person would, without having a fucking clue what he's talking about. He lives in a little bubble of his own, without having a real understanding about the standard of life on this planet in general.

Normal is relative.

I'd imagine Valdes' "normal life" is how he imagines his life would have panned out if he hadn't become a professional football player.
 

serghei

Senior Member
You probably don't know about the mental state of such a man who was forced to do something he didn't want to do in his chilhood (!) and you (and me) probably don't know how hard it is to be in the spotlight day after day.

Man, I know what you meant with the thing about celebrities. I just don't think it's true that MANY celebrities do that stuff. Some do it, but very few. Exceptions, not the rule.

Second. I'm pretty sure Valdes is very honest. It's his intelligence I'm questioning here. Most people that say stupid things are honest. And I have every right to say that his notions about "normal life" are romanticized and fake.

There was an experiment in my country a while ago, with very wealthy people trying to live a normal life for a couple of months. Average salary, average clothes, average job. They were sure they could make it, but most of them quit the experiment in a week or so. I guess being normal is not so fun when it's someting permanent. I'm pretty sure Valdes doesn't know what he's talking about, and his idea about normal life are so superficial that they are practically asking to be ridiculed.

You probably don't know about the mental state of such a man who was forced to do something he didn't want to do in his chilhood

The thing is I do. And that gives me the right to have an opinion about what he said. Valdes has been a privileged man in his life. Don't feed me this phony stuff about how hard it is to be rich, good looking and famous. And how it's much better to be normal. I've seen people who have a great family, money, great kids, a big house, one or two cars, and are always unhappy about something. And people who have much less than that and are grateful for what they have, because they know others have to deal with much less than that.
 
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Galning

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So why did he continue? Do factory workers love their jobs? He should stop and think when giving interviews as those are meant for fans, average guys who have day jobs and fight to put food on the table, not his therapist.

Of course you can feel sad. But he's complaining a bit too much/acting as a victim and sounds removed from reality.

Factory workers can stop too. What's your point? Because he has more money he can't speak about how he feels? He cannot dislike what he does?

It's not for me to decide when he has to stop doing something. He can be a goalkeeper, hate it and give an interview about him not really feeling good about it. Him making more money than the average person doesn't change the fact that he can feel bad, continue doing his job & still talk about it. People who say he has to suck it up and go on just because he has a life millions and millions of boys dream of doesn't make sense to me.
That way nobody in the world can say anything anymore because there's always someone who has it worse than you.

Just another example of how the famous person can't have problems.
 

serghei

Senior Member
He can be a goalkeeper, hate it and give an interview about him not really feeling good about it. Him making more money than the average person doesn't change the fact that he can feel bad, continue doing his job & still talk about it.

It's not about permission -- can or can't. He can say what he wants. The flipside is that other people can react to what he said and label his words as a result of an obtuse way of thinking. Which is what happened.
 
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