1 - Victor Valdes

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
I'd get the criticism on Valdes if he was outright complaining about his privilege but there is no part of that interview that shows him being superficial and shallow. He's not complaining about his salary or that he doesn't have enough luxury. I know plenty of spoiled rich kids that irk me with that sort of behavior but this isn't that at all.

Valdes' interview is easily one of the most honest and conscious interviews I've ever seen from a footballer. He delves into all of his experiences and perceptions, good and bad. He literally even discusses the disparity between the 'regular world' and the one that footballers experience, admitting that he's lived a very fortunate life. The depression is due to his injury and doing something he never truly felt settled in (never mind the salary for one second). I can empathize with that, there are plenty of high-paying career paths I would never consider simply because the experience would not sit well with me on a day in, day out basis. Feeling external pressures in a world like Valdes' is very real and that's what he would trade for a more normal life.

He says he's experienced some amazing things but that he wouldn't do it again if given the chance to go back. I can respect that. He's not whining, he's not bitching, he's simply reflecting on everything about his career (in a somber tone). He did so with more honesty and self-awareness than I have seen with 99.99% of footballers or celebrities. Some people would be ecstatic and ever-appreciative in his position, some would be ecstatic just to have a stable income. Others have different temperaments and priorities, Valdes just happens to be a more 'blues' type person. You're allowed to have dissatisfaction at any level in life, more often than not it's an internal issue and mostly independent of money. Otherwise none of us would have the ethical right to complain about anything at all given that we have computers and the luxury to visit sports forums while some kids in Africa are soon to be food for buzzards.
 
lel
If you make millions doing a job you don't like, you either quit knowing that you're safe and can do whatever the hell you want, or stick with it because you value earning millions more than getting a few years' head-start for whatever's next.
VV clearly made his own decision. Truly a 0,1 percenter dilemma in his case. Everyone else wishes they had this problem to solve. Valdès isn't happy with it.

That's irksome and that's it. The facts that his interview was earnest and that VV would have maybe served himself best by not speaking about his issue isn't really relevant.
 
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Semi-Neutral

Sir Alupp Heynrguson
- Brad Pitt telling some nerd who cant get laid how sleeping with prime Angelina Jolie gets tiresome after a while and he would like to be ignored by hot women for a change.

- Some guy complaining about his marriage feeling like a prison to a guy in solitary confinement

- a millionaire complaining about having to clean his Lamborghini and dreaming about public transport to a guy who can barely afford the bus ticket to slave away at work.

- A healthy person complaining about life to people dying of cancer

- A guy livinf it up in miami complaining about too much sun against some Finns.

But Valdes isn't complaining "to" anyone. He's just complaining - which anyone should be allowed to do, because everything is "relatively" good. Oh, you're dying of cancer? At least you have a loving family around you, you get to live out your last days in relative comfort, you can say your goodbyes, etc. At least you weren't gored by a rhino and aren't slowly bleeding out in the middle of the extremely hot African savannah. There's always someone who has it worse, and it makes no sense to have a threshold between where it's legitimate to complain and when it's not. Valdes was asked about his life, he should be able to reply whatever he wants without having to make politically correct clauses about how lucky he has it and how millions of people have it worse.

Also, completely unrelated, but why the name raskolnikov? Did you like the character?
 

serghei

Senior Member
None of us would have the ethical right to complain about anything at all given that we have computers and the luxury to visit sports forums while some kids in Africa are soon to be food for buzzards.

We don't have the moral right to complain about a thing in which we are already in a priviledged class of people (acces to information in your example). Probably, Valdes doesn't really understand how priviledged he is.

There's always someone who has it worse, and it makes no sense to have a threshold between where it's legitimate to complain and when it's not.

Society will always set boundaries about this issue, and since people are social entities, they have to accept those bounderies, or face criticism when they break them.
 
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Alik

Moderator
[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION], from what sort of family does Valdes come from? Do you know what he would have become had he not been a professional footballer? Perhaps he would have gone to university and had a regular job.

He's not saying he has it worse off than a homeless guy, or someone living in a war-torn land.

All he said is that he wouldn't have chosen to be a star goalkeeper if he had to start over.

There aren't just 2 sides/choice to life.
 

serghei

Senior Member
All he said is that he wouldn't have chosen to be a star goalkeeper if he had to start over.

I think that's just talk from him, heavily influenced by what happened with his career recently. As several other posters said, he can just quit. He has the possibility to do what he wants, instead of lamenting about things that he can easily change if he wants to. He's just depressed because of how things panned out for him in the last year and a half or so. I didn't hear him speak like that before, when things were working out for him. Based on that, I take it that it's the recent events that lead to this interview.

Decided to leave Barca ->
Got his ligamets torn ->
Was dropped by big-money Monaco ->
Tried to find a team, but ended up as a bench-warmer for United (from Barca's starter, to warming the bench at Utd) ->
Got in a conflict with Van Gaal ->
Interview about his life of suffering as a goal-keeper and how he would've chosen a different path if he were to start all over again.

Does anybody know for sure that what he said isn't a result of the really bad moments he had recently, and that those moments made him think about his life as more filled with suffering than it really was?
 
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rixxer

New member
Poor Victor, continued playing football despite his hatred of it and ended up a millionaire.

Some really childish and downright senseless posts in this thread.

Also, whoever thinks that all of celebrity overdoses are depression-related is dead wrong.

And you know that how? Because you think so? Please, just stop throwing out opinions that you want to be facts because you said so. Show me at leats some research on suicides, there are plenty of them around.
 

JackaL

New member
The moral standards that some are imposing on others but surely not on themselves is icredible. Bitching around that VV should shut the fuck up because people are dying in wars or somewhere else, but posting on this forum when Barca looses or we can't manage to sign an important player etc. shows how unrelated this pseudo-analogies are.
 

raskolnikov

Well-known member
The moral standards that some are imposing on others but surely not on themselves is icredible. Bitching around that VV should shut the fuck up because people are dying in wars or somewhere else, but posting on this forum when Barca looses or we can't manage to sign an important player etc. shows how unrelated this pseudo-analogies are.

Why is it that weird when people get annoyed with priviliged people complaining about bullshit things because of their blessed life? Like you cant get mad for a person being ungrateful. How did your parents react when you reacted badly to a present as a kid or even broke something new?
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
Why is it that weird when people get annoyed with priviliged people complaining about bullshit things because of their blessed life? Like you cant get mad for a person being ungrateful. How did your parents react when you reacted badly to a present as a kid or even broke something new?

A malnourished African kid would probably have the same thoughts if he sees you bitching about how the media is always on Ronaldo's side.

Quit complaining mate, and check your privilege.
 

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