1 - Victor Valdes

Galning

Moderator
It's not about permission -- can or can't. He can say what he wants. The flipside is that other people can react to what he said and label his words as a result of an obtuse way of thinking. Which is what happened.

Then what is it about because I obviously don't see it. All I see is people complaining because he is rich. Then I complain about the people complaining because there's people who don't complain that have it worse than the people complaining.

In all, it's what footyfan said. People can't handle real opinions of people in the spotlight because then the bubble is burst and they don't act how the plebs expect them to act. Back to boring standard answers would've been better.
 

serghei

Senior Member
All I see is people complaining because he is rich. Then I complain about the people complaining because there's people who don't complain that have it worse than the people complaining.

No. It's not like that. I don't care who's rich and who's not rich. But I just don't want a rich dude to speak to me about how cool it is to be normal, and how sad he is that he is rich and famous. I think those who are lucky enough to have a great life and are still not happy need a fucking wake up call. Take him to a war zone, or a place in which people fight for food, not for making the first team in football trainings, and he'll look at life differently. I guarantee it that he'll never use the word "suffering" with such generosity.
 
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Stric

New member
Poor Victor, continued playing football despite his hatred of it and ended up a millionaire.

Some really childish and downright senseless posts in this thread.

Also, whoever thinks that all of celebrity overdoses are depression-related is dead wrong.
 

raskolnikov

Well-known member
I agree with Bojan, he should quit if it makes him so miserable.

Most of us cant quit what we do because we have bills/families and are basically forced to cary on. Guys like VV have millions and can lay on an island on Bora bora for the rest of his life before his 30's or work at starbucks if that makes him happy. Atleast he has options to do whatever he wants. Its like when you live in a first world country and cry about the weather or barca losing to a guy living in Damascus who's family got beheaded.
Anyone can be depressed but dont complain about it if you can easily change it and know how 99% would change positions with you. Its the same with Tevez complaining about living in Manchester for years and missing Argentina while continuing to do so when he is rich enough to retire a 23.
 

Darko

New member
This thread right here is Exhibit A why sports stars give the most bland answers possible.

Please barcaforum, continue to enjoy learning why Messi thinks MSN is a good trident, how it's been his childhood dream to play one game with Argentina and how his goals would not have been possible without his 10 other teammates.

Brilliant! :lol:
 
People can't handle real opinions of people in the spotlight because then the bubble is burst and they don't act how the plebs expect them to act.

yet also, people can't handle people giving real opinions on people giving real opinions :bartomeu:

My opinion, Valdès is far removed from "reality", whatever that is. I can totally understand why many don't like how he's hating on his millionaire job but can't quit. He is supposed to have money to start whatever the hell he wants -you name it. It's not about having no right to be unhappy when you're rich...
And yes, better to read an honest interview than some bland routine shite as footyfan remarked. But that's not really the point.
 

JackaL

New member
It's hard to cope with the ignorance in this thread. Guys the fucking millions make no fucking difference, no difference at all. Mostly when I hear people speaking "If I had those millions...", I usually end up not listening to the bullshit that comes afterwards. Most people also think about "spending a million" when they say "having a million" which is indeed a great difference. I don't even know if it is easier for somebody to quit his job when earning millions compared to somebody that earns 5€ maximum an hour. Statistically speaking, those underskilled, almost nonpaying jobs have super high fluctuations, jobs that pay millions do not in comparison!

VV cannot just quit, it takes a lot of balls to quit something that you have done for your entire life, even if you have millions. Most people here will know, even if they hated their jobs, quitting is something that is pretty hard. The comparisons with Damaskus are utter nonsense, not to say bullshit. Damaskus is a warzone, why would anybody compare their wellbeing with a city that is destroyed by the ongoing war? These are extreme situations... Nobody denies any wars, hunger, famines or poverty, but it's just no comparison, it is polemics at best!
 

JackaL

New member
So it's equally as hard to quit your job when you have nothing and when you have millions in the bank?

No it's not equally hard but does it matter that much? If you have not worked for your money and you have inherited millions while you were studying and having a part-time job at sturbucks, it is probably not as hard. Let's say you are the CEO of a company, you earn millions, do you think it's easy to just quit and go just because you have millions? Let's say you are an entrepreneur, a pretty good one that took the risks and got to be a millionaire, you have your employees and your business is just doing fine, but you feel after years that even if you had luck and you were good, it was never your thing, so is quitting that easy?

It takes a little bit empathy and a nuanced view to understand VV's great interview, which is as somebody already stated a gem! Polemics and some jealous comments about his millions won't do any good in this discussion!
 

raskolnikov

Well-known member
It's hard to cope with the ignorance in this thread. Guys the fucking millions make no fucking difference, no difference at all. Mostly when I hear people speaking "If I had those millions...", I usually end up not listening to the bullshit that comes afterwards. Most people also think about "spending a million" when they say "having a million" which is indeed a great difference. I don't even know if it is easier for somebody to quit his job when earning millions compared to somebody that earns 5€ maximum an hour. Statistically speaking, those underskilled, almost nonpaying jobs have super high fluctuations, jobs that pay millions do not in comparison!

VV cannot just quit, it takes a lot of balls to quit something that you have done for your entire life, even if you have millions. Most people here will know, even if they hated their jobs, quitting is something that is pretty hard. The comparisons with Damaskus are utter nonsense, not to say bullshit. Damaskus is a warzone, why would anybody compare their wellbeing with a city that is destroyed by the ongoing war? These are extreme situations... Nobody denies any wars, hunger, famines or poverty, but it's just no comparison, it is polemics at best!
You just dont get it, people keep acting like he has the right to be depressed and say whatever he wants,which is true but you need to understand that its considered a dick move to say in his poisition. I got many more analogies other than Damascus by the way:p

- Brad Pitt telling some nerd who cant get laid how sleeping with prime Angelina Jolie gets tiresome after a while and he would like to be ignored by hot women for a change.

- Some guy complaining about his marriage feeling like a prison to a guy in solitary confinement

- a millionaire complaining about having to clean his Lamborghini and dreaming about public transport to a guy who can barely afford the bus ticket to slave away at work.

- A healthy person complaining about life to people dying of cancer

- A guy livinf it up in miami complaining about too much sun against some Finns.

Also pictures if that makes it easier to understand:

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Also got some fight club/ south park, Saw/ American Beauty references if you want to;)
etc. etc.

In all seriousness though, I cant understand people defending this just by saying " hey rich people can get depressed too / footballers are not robots/ Maslow!"
Its all logical but you can see why its annoying to say in his position especially since he can change it tomorrow. Its not at all similair for most normal people, you dont have similair freedom like Valdes when you quit your job (unless you are some teen living with his parents), there would be serious consequenses.

All in all I think I could accept Valdes comments if he realizes how extremely blessed he and his family are. Take everything away from him for a few months and he would be begging to go back to his previous life.
You only appreciate things when they are gone or when you almost lose them still holds truth for a lot of people. Valdes should man up and quit and chase happiness, any person should when in an opportunity to do so.
I dont know, maybe I just lack empathy but privileged people complaining or people in general crying over what in my eyes are ridiculous things just makes my blood boil. Same with athletes and famous people who really believe god is helping them ( while letting others die and suffer) for example.
Guess its best to agree to disagree though since its obvious there is no good outcome to this discussion where everyone agrees.
 

Stric

New member
No it's not equally hard but does it matter that much?

Are you really asking this question? It absolutely does, because it's literally the difference between not knowing if you and your children will have anything to eat next week and knowing that you can live comfortably for years to come. I know you're trying to prove a point about rich people still being people with emotions, hardships etc., and that's fair enough, as you say, it does take a nuanced view to understand them, but to actually suggest even for a second that there's not a giant difference between the previously-mentioned two situations is just mind-blowingly ignorant and disrespectful.

If you have not worked for your money and you have inherited millions while you were studying and having a part-time job at sturbucks, it is probably not as hard. Let's say you are the CEO of a company, you earn millions, do you think it's easy to just quit and go just because you have millions? Let's say you are an entrepreneur, a pretty good one that took the risks and got to be a millionaire, you have your employees and your business is just doing fine, but you feel after years that even if you had luck and you were good, it was never your thing, so is quitting that easy?

It takes a little bit empathy and a nuanced view to understand VV's great interview, which is as somebody already stated a gem! Polemics and some jealous comments about his millions won't do any good in this discussion!

Ummm, no life-changing decision is easy to make, but yes, it's incomparably easier to quit and leave your company when you know you have a secured future than it is to quit your job with no savings and no prospect for the future. I don't even understand how you can actually attempt to make those two seem similar. Besides, if you didn't know, many successful businessmen and millionaires actually do exactly what you are talking about. They leave their companies and go to early retirement or whatever, because they want to spend more time with their families, travel, do charity work etc. That's a luxury that blue collar people don't and never will have.
 

JackaL

New member
[MENTION=13037]raskolnikov[/MENTION]

I am not going to quote from your post because it is just too silly. Nothing in VV's interview comes close to any of those pictures! You could list a million examples like the Damaskus one, it doesn't make them more serious or correct comparisons!
[MENTION=12202]Stric[/MENTION]

Again, taking this discussion to that point is blatant trolling because VV is not doing anything people are describing there. Of course life is much tougher for somebody who barely makes ends meet, especially considering his "job security"! But that is not the point of the discussion. The real trolling that is going on is taking VV's answers and telling him to shut up and watch his words just because he is making millions. The comparisons I made was not to tell you that a millionaire CEO or any given famous footballer has it "as much as hard" as any blue collar worker, but rather to criticize the "if he doesn't like the job he should quit" attitude!
The successful CEO's do not retire at 23, something that was suggested to VV here?!
 

Stric

New member
Dude, you took the discussion there yourself. Nobody else was providing comparisons with rich CEOs and company owners quitting.
 

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