10 - Lionel Messi - v2

[misterplatin]

Ribery was the best player in BuLi hands down . In CL he had a few good games but other than that he was not on CR or Messi level . CR scored the highest CL goals and Messi was probably 2nd best attacker ahead of Lewy .

What has RIbery done ? In the SF he did a job on Messi and made the difference .For me his energy on left made Barca suffer the most .

 

[Luftstalag14]

Meh. Our other players are far better than Maradona had in Napoli. Also Serie A was easily the best league in the world at that time and very competitive.

Agreed. Having said that, with how the game has developed over the years, ours players as well as our opponents have all become faster, more tactical and more sophisticated.

 

[suckabov]

The journalists are obviously free to vote, but the award is for the best player on europe the past season(ucl) mostly. Some tend to favor players from the ucl winner. If it wasn't an euro year, I don't think Iniesta would'd won last year.

That is true, and I'm sure Ribery will have good chances. Bit honestly, this award has (with that voting system) only been there for two years, so I don't really know if winning the UCL plays that much of a role... Plus Messi is somehow an unpredictable factor. I do believe he would have won the 2011 one even without winning the UCL, and I do believe he would have one it last year if Spain hadn't won the Euros (and not some Chelsea player). Long story short, I don't know.

 

[Ode to Django]

Yeah, Messi has now carried Barcelona 2 seasons, like Maradona once did in Napoli (89-90).

Yeah all credit goes to Messi.

His teammates were crap when you think about it, couldn't hold possesion for toffee. Balanced league aswell, many teams competing for the title.

I mean the Spanish couldn't win anything without Messi. If only Messi picked Spain, could carry them to the world cup or something, maybe euro's

 

[Ode to Django]

have another Maradona moment or something

 

[Luftstalag14]

Yeah all credit goes to Messi.

His teammates were crap when you think about it, couldn't hold possesion for toffee. Balanced league aswell, many teams competing for the title.

I mean the Spanish couldn't win anything without Messi. If only Messi picked Spain, could carry them to the world cup or something, maybe euro's

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he gets your valid point. Messi carried the team not so much in the sense that his team mates are crap (of course they are not, and Messi's own success can be attributed to this group of world class teammates to a large extent), rather it is in the fact (at least in the 12/13 season) that Barca was a different team without him and Messi single-handedly changed/affected the outcome of many games. Without him and his goals we wouldn't have clinched the La Liga title. Without him we would have lost to Milan and PSG in the CL.

 

[jiopi]

Yeah all credit goes to Messi.

His teammates were crap when you think about it, couldn't hold possesion for toffee. Balanced league aswell, many teams competing for the title.

I mean the Spanish couldn't win anything without Messi. If only Messi picked Spain, could carry them to the world cup or something, maybe euro's

Don't be naive, Barcelona has much bigger edge in national team football, than others, when they can train in every day, and can easily win teams that train every two months and have no identity. Club football is far beyond national football. Napoli at Maradona's time were the biggest spending team in Europe, and had a great team.

 

[suckabov]

So this UEFA Best Player Award is just like the Ballon D'Or, without clear criteria being laid out? So it is all subjective? OK, in that case I can see how in the eyes of the voting audiences Ribery might fare better than Schweinsteiger because the former is much flashier than the latter, Ribery scored more sensational goals than Bastian even though I agree that Bastian is more important to Bayern's success.

By the way, will the same journalists, coaches etc. voting for this UEFA Best Player Award be the ones voting for Ballon D'Or? If so I'd rather this goes to Ribery so they don't feel like they are overindulging our Leo.

Yeah, it's like the Ballon D'or. From Wikipedia:

According to UEFA, the award "recognise the best player, irrespective of his nationality, playing for a football club within the territory of a UEFA member association during the previous season." Players are judged by their performances in all competitions, domestic and international, and at club and national team levels throughout the season.

As for the voting, the UEFA award is voted by one chosen journalist per UEFA country. At the Ballon D'or, there are three votes per Fifa country, coming from coach, captain and one chosen journalist. Whether the same journalist votes for UEFA and Ballon d'or I don't know, but that wouldn't matter too much I believe. All I know is, the one representing Germany is one of the best football journalists there are, and he wouldn't really let overindulging Messi influence his choice (which has always been Messi, mind you).

 

[jiopi]

Here's some reference 12-13

lol.com 50

Voting takes place at the end of domestic and international seasons for the majority of countries.

More than 500 Goal journalists from around the world vote to select their top 50 players, giving a truly global view.

1. Messi
2. Ribery
3. Cronaldo

Eurosport Ballon d'Or

We asked the editorial teams of 10 countries/areas around the Eurosport network to compile their list of the world's 25 best players.

1. Messi
2. Cronaldo
9. Ribery

 

[Paganinisrvnge]

Yeah all credit goes to Messi.

His teammates were crap when you think about it, couldn't hold possesion for toffee. Balanced league aswell, many teams competing for the title.

I mean the Spanish couldn't win anything without Messi. If only Messi picked Spain, could carry them to the world cup or something, maybe euro's

Dat mad. Obviously Messi's teammates aren't shit but neither were Maradona's. Between 2008 and 2011, Barcelona were an unstoppable force. However, anyone with a brain has seen Xavi and Puyol's decline while Alves and Pique have suffered in form. In 2011-12, the team was still good because Pep tried different ideas and although they only won the CDR they still looked dominant in important matches. This past season Tito may have gotten an amazing league campaign but if you watched more than half of Barcelona matches this season you would have seen that Messi saved the day many many many times when Tito had NO IDEA what to do just like he didn't vs Bayern.

 

[Ode to Django]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he gets your valid point. Messi carried the team not so much in the sense that his team mates are crap (of course they are not, and Messi's own success can be attributed to this group of world class teammates to a large extent), rather it is in the fact (at least in the 12/13 season) that Barca was a different team without him and Messi single-handedly changed/affected the outcome of many games. Without him and his goals we wouldn't have clinched the La Liga title. Without him we would have lost to Milan and PSG in the CL.

Football is a team game, ask Bayern Munich. Barcelona were far better until everything has to flow through Leo Messi, he's apart of one of the greatest teams ever, holding a ridiculous amount of possesion consistently every game without fail, to allow him to do his thing, with all the freedom in the world, everything the past two seasons has to flow through him, i personally can't stand teams built around a forward. Barcelona are filled with Spanish internationals who shouldn't need Messi to bail them out of anything, it's just poor. Nor should they need him to get past what was a pretty poor Milan side & a PSG side that played terrible for most of the season. Unecessary.

But the comments that "Messi carried the team" "Zlatan carries the team" etc etc is horseshit, they both force the play through them, demand the ball.

 

[Ode to Django]

Dat mad. Obviously Messi's teammates aren't shit but neither were Maradona's. Between 2008 and 2011, Barcelona were an unstoppable force. However, anyone with a brain has seen Xavi and Puyol's decline while Alves and Pique have suffered in form. In 2011-12, the team was still good because Pep tried different ideas and although they only won the CDR they still looked dominant in important matches. This past season Tito may have gotten an amazing league campaign but if you watched more than half of Barcelona matches this season you would have seen that Messi saved the day many many many times when Tito had NO IDEA what to do just like he didn't vs Bayern.

Dat mad hehehe

I'm not mad dipshit.

 

[jiopi]

Dat mad hehehe

I'm not mad dipshit.

Of course you are.

 

[mixer]

 

[Ode to Django]

Of course you are.