10 - Lionel Messi - v3

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Morten

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Cristiano is a very average finisher(compared to messi) and shooting more from distance has nothing to do with it.
If you have bothered to read this article http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/ , you would have known that.

Lmao, did you really say that shoting more from distance has nothing to do with the stats? So Ronaldo wouldnt have had a better shot to goal ratio if he only took shots from the penalty area, or at most right outside the box? Logic...
 

Kerrybai

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Lmao, did you really say that shoting more from distance has nothing to do with the stats? So Ronaldo wouldnt have had a better shot to goal ratio if he only took shots from the penalty area, or at most right outside the box? Logic...

I agree with you that Ronaldo's ridiclous long range efforts and wide angled efforts bring his shot stats down, however according the data collected over the past few years Messi is indeed the better finisher, albeit by a very small margin.

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Those are the percentages of converted shots.As you can see both players from inside the box and inside the six yard box are well above the average player. It's from outside the box where Messi sets himself apart converting at a ridiculous rate of 12.1... Ronaldo falls behind in this area but as we know he takes a lot of silly shots outside the box. Still messi has the edge from inside the box although it's worth noting that this date is from July 2014.
 

Morten

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I agree with you that Ronaldo's ridiclous long range efforts and wide angled efforts bring his shot stats down, however according the data collected over the past few years Messi is indeed the better finisher, albeit by a very small margin.

morris-feature-messi-pitch-graphic.png


Those are the percentages of converted shots.As you can see both players from inside the box and inside the six yard box are well above the average player. It's from outside the box where Messi sets himself apart converting at a ridiculous rate of 12.1... Ronaldo falls behind in this area but as we know he takes a lot of silly shots outside the box. Still messi has the edge from inside the box although it's worth noting that this date is from July 2014.

Thats more like it, stats can be misleading,Ronaldo is way above average as a finisher. Inside the box there is not much difference, but just outside it Messi is absolutely lethal, and i knew that. From just outside the box, Ronaldos power doesnt count for much, it will often be blocked etc., from the really long distances he has the edge. He is not bad at longshots, but he isnt the best either, i recon Bale has considerably better statistic from long range than Ronado, and probably others to. Yes, Messi is a slightly better finisher. But all i was saying was that Ronaldos long range efforts makes him look like a crappy finisher compared to almost every striker, but he really isnt.
 

CesDel

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I dont think Ronaldo is a worse finisher, especially inside the box I rate them quite equally, its just him being more self absored, caring more about his own glory thanthe team thus taking way more shots from distance and all angles rather than a Messi who shoots less, Messi is better at finishing from around the edge of the box by the way, Ronaldo is better at long distances simply cause Messi lacks the power for it and while cr7 misses most he is more likely to score from longshots.

I always had the feeling that Messi was a more clinical finisher in that Messi was more in control of his finishes. He would place it perfectly, while C.Ronaldo was more of a blast it at goal and hope..
 

footyfan

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I agree with you that Ronaldo's ridiclous long range efforts and wide angled efforts bring his shot stats down, however according the data collected over the past few years Messi is indeed the better finisher, albeit by a very small margin.

morris-feature-messi-pitch-graphic.png


Those are the percentages of converted shots.As you can see both players from inside the box and inside the six yard box are well above the average player. It's from outside the box where Messi sets himself apart converting at a ridiculous rate of 12.1... Ronaldo falls behind in this area but as we know he takes a lot of silly shots outside the box. Still messi has the edge from inside the box although it's worth noting that this date is from July 2014.


Messi was the most lethal finisher in the world, inside and outside the box until 2012/13. But both last year and this year, he is behind a bunch of players including Ronaldo. The fivethirtyeight article cumulatively looks at all seasons from 09/10 to 13/14, which is why Messi is so superhumanly ahead of everyone else.

While I was voting for the UEFA Team of the Year, I found this handy infographic:

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Egert

Estonian Culé
Messi to move to Chelsea in summer


Lionel Messi will reject bids from Arsenal and Manchester United in favour of a move to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea this summer. The Barcelona superstar will move to west London for €250 million.
Source: Daily Express
 

blaugrana1987

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Fucking Fabregas if that happens...no wonder his milf is so friendly with Anto...that traitor! Curse the day Pep got him. Since then he brought nothing but trouble.

Tata saw right through him...
 

Paganinisrvnge

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Messi isn't going anywhere but imagine if he went and broke the single season scoring record. :lol: All of England would worship him. I'd like us to draw Liverpool in the CL so he can destroy them at Anfield.
 

Rahj

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Messi to move to Chelsea in summer


Lionel Messi will reject bids from Arsenal and Manchester United in favour of a move to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea this summer. The Barcelona superstar will move to west London for €250 million.
Source: Daily Express

i hope anto is happy now! :angry: :lol:
 
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