10 - Lionel Messi - v3

[Sumlit]

No its not at all.

The top clubs generally look to negotiate with their top players within two years of their contract expiring. He will have more years ahead of him and be able to get a better deal or his next contract with a shorter contract.

The contract till 2018 suits him more than club.

That's assuming he'd get a favorable extension once his renewal option came up as you assume would come in 2016. That is also assuming he'd get more than 1 year extension.

Money guaranteed in hand is always better.

 

[Flavia]

He has said in the past he will stay as long as people want him and there is nothing in his words that suggest he is contemplating moving.

If Messi wants the to earn the maximum amount of wages he can it suits him for contract to end earlier. It gives him more bargaining power in what should be his peak years.

That's working with uncertanty, with a possible future. Makes no sense to me.
One more year is always favorable. If he wanted, nothing would stop him from negotiating another increase.

 

[suckabov]

Did you not even read what I said?

Its because they have revised Messis current contract to make him the highest paid player at club as he should always be. He is entitled to it and to expect him to increase length or buy out clause would not be fair on him.

To suppose that they didn't do it because "it would not be fair on him" is just as much speculation as supposing that Messi would have wanted it but the board didn't is. Bottom line is, there is no good reason.

 

[Ursegor]

Have to agree with JamDav1982. 2018 doesn't benefit the club one bit. It means, unless they want to let his contract run out, they will have to negotiate at the latest in 2016 again. Which is only 2 years from now. Which means he will be 28. Which means he will be in his absolute peak. Which means he will demand even higher wages.

 

[JamDav1982]

To suppose that they didn't do it because "it would not be fair on him" is just as much speculation as supposing that Messi would have wanted it but the board didn't. Bottom line is, there is no good reason.

The board came out and said they had 'revised' his contract.

This was never about getting him tied down for longer or increasing his buy out clause as Messi had previously agreed these parts of his contract. The only area that had changed was that he was no longer the top paid player at the club.

Any links to these rumours yet?

 

[Flavia]

To suppose that they didn't do it because "it would not be fair on him" is just as much speculation as supposing that Messi would have wanted it but the board didn't. Bottom line is, there is no good reason.

Yep. Really makes no sense. Messi is a special player, not a regular joe.

 

[Flavia]

Have to agree with JamDav1982. 2018 doesn't benefit the club one bit. It means, unless they want to let his contract run out, they will have to negotiate at the latest in 2016 again. Which is only 2 years from now. Which means he will be 28. Which means he will be in his absolute peak. Which means he will demand even higher wages.

And what if he's not in his peak, if something happens? He can negotiate his contract anytime he wants, if he somehow manages to get even better at 28/29.

 

[MagIX]

It'd benefit him as he'd have one more year with that 20m wage. Ending in 2018 it'd make a renewal one year earlier, and it could be with a cut in those wages.

I think that Messi just now is worth approx. euro 300mio/500mio (wages, adversiting contracts, investment,..).
At the end of his carees i think he will be worth at least the double.
Do you really think it makes a difference for Messi playing for 20mio or 10mio (wages cut) in 2019 ?

 

[JamDav1982]

That's working with uncertanty, with a possible future. Makes no sense to me.
One more year is always favorable. If he wanted, nothing would stop him from negotiating another increase.

One more year is not favourable to Messi at all. He will be negotiating the next big contract of his career in his peak years and with one year more to offer than if he had signed on till 2019.

Why not just sign him to 2019 on previous contract? The club would benefited from that far more than Messi.

 

[Flavia]

I think that Messi just now is worth approx. euro 300mio/500mio (wages, adversiting contracts, investment,..).
At the end of his carees i think he will be worth at least the double.
Do you really think it makes a difference for Messi playing for 20mio or 10mio (wages cut) in 2019 ?

Of course it does. He won't be valued anymore, as soon as he retires. Or as soon as he starts really declining as a player. Dinho doesn't make a half of what he did in his peak, nowadays.

 

[JamDav1982]

And what if he's not in his peak, if something happens? He can negotiate his contract anytime he wants, if he somehow manages to get even better at 28/29.

He doesnt have to get better.

Wages around the world are increasing all the time and Messi at that age will be able to walk into any top club in world and more or less demand the money he wants.

On top of that players dont think 'I have to sign till 2019 because I might get worse' Nope they think I will sign till 2018 on a shorter contract and demand as much as I can out of next contract.

Shorter contracts give players more bargaining power in relation to wages increasing.

 

[Sumlit]

Have to agree with JamDav1982. 2018 doesn't benefit the club one bit. It means, unless they want to let his contract run out, they will have to negotiate at the latest in 2016 again. Which is only 2 years from now. Which means he will be 28. Which means he will be in his absolute peak. Which means he will demand even higher wages.

That's all fine and good, but you're assuming firstly, that the club will look to renew in 2016, and secondly that the club would be willing to up his wages. In the other hand, you'd have a guaranteed extra year on 20 million.

A gamble in one hand, a sure thing in the other. On top, there's no stipulation that would preclude Messi from negotiating his contract again in a few years, even with the extra year already secured.

 

[Learo]

But hasnt Messi gotten a new improved contract every season? I always seem to hear about contract negotiations with Messi, as some money doped club has made player x or player y the best paid player in the world, so we react by ensuring that the title remains with Messi. We did the same with Ronaldinho. He got a new contract so many times.

 

[Ursegor]

And what if he's not in his peak, if something happens? He can negotiate his contract anytime he wants, if he somehow manages to get even better at 28/29.

Even if he declines he can negotiate again and it would always result in Messi getting higher wages, not lower ones. Basically, see this season.

Let's say they don't give him the wages he wants when he is 28/29. Then he can just let his contract run out and leave for free. Shorter contracts never benefit the club unless it's about scrub players which they want gone.

In Messi's case I bet the club would prefer a contract until 2022 if they could so they don't have to negotiate again and again and again.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course it does. He won't be valued anymore, as soon as he retires. Or as soon as he starts really declining as a player. Dinho doesn't make a half of what he did in his peak, nowadays.

For every Ronaldinho there is a Ronaldo or a Ibrahimovic who have signed the biggest contracts of their careers at 28/29/30.

You really think Messis thought process was he is scared of declining and wants an extra year? Not a chance.

He sill be thinking shorter contract allows him more power to stay in line with spiralling wages world wide.

Top players back themselves.