10 - Lionel Messi - v3

[serghei]

In term of what? Ambition, Motivation, selfishness,...
And how can you evaluate his personality knowing that he is not the expressive type, it's a very subjective and hazy concept to be used as credible argument.

I don't think psychology is not credible. It is abstract, true, but still credible. Besides, everyone chooses the things they believe in. There is no such thing as a bad personality or a good one. The advantages and dissadvantages take turns depeding on the circumstances one finds himself in.

I have no malicious intent besides being frustrated by reading excuses for him. I'm a Messi fan too so it hurts to see him play below his potential.

That's why I don't usually stay too long on the Messi thread myself. Few interesting points are made there. It's usually a one way street, insane praise if he plays good and excuses if he plays bad.

 

[gatsu]

Of course psychology is credible when addressed as a science, but not through speculative process which is the case on this forum, for us fans there is no way we can evaluate Messi's personality, thus your conclusion is incorrect. .

 

[serghei]

Of course psychology is credible when addressed as a science, but not through speculative process which is the case on this forum, for us fans there is no way we can evaluate Messi's personality, thus your conclusion is incorrect. .

That's basic psychology. You don't need a dimploma or a degree in psychology to diferentiate between an introvert and an extrovert. And there are many studies made by experts in the field which explain the personality of an introvert.

You can tell you've cought a cold even if you're not a doctor, right? It's the same thing.

 

[Luftstalag14]

That's why I don't usually stay too long on the Messi thread myself. Few interesting points are made there. It's usually a one way street, insane praise if he plays good and excuses if he plays bad.

I see what you are saying, but I beg to differ here:

I see strings of one or two liners of praises when he plays well from folks that maximally will be about two or three pages long, and strings of long and wordy paragraphs bleakly moaning the downhill spiral of Messi that will easily fill up 5-10 pages.

 

[KingMessi]

Yes but can you say an introvert lacks ambition or the drive to succeed? Messi wouldn't even be a professional player of his caliber if that were the case. He'd be a Bojan instead.

 

[Kerrybai]

It's because Messi was the best in the world on so many levels, not only on individual skill (best finishing, best passing, best dribbling) but also on team play (combining with team-mates, build-up play, defending from the front, positioning etc.) No one is faulting Messi for not making a gazillion 1-2s and tapping the ball in from 2 yards, for not participating in the build up (there isnt any at Barca atm), not even for not defending from the front nowadays or off-the-ball movement (I was very vocal about that last season but after watching the World Cup and seeing how he couldn't run even after wanting the trophy so much, I'm convinced it has nothing to do with motivation and that he just can't run anymore).

His core skills, on the other hand, also seemed to have declined (pass accuracy, finishing, and while his dribbling has been on point this season he's also having much more unsuccessful dribbles but mostly the killer instinct that meant he would place himself in the best position to get a goal) that have nothing to do with Pep or the team around him.



I have no malicious intent besides being frustrated by reading excuses for him. I'm a Messi fan too so it hurts to see him play below his potential.

To be honest the only core skill that is off imo is his finishing, everything else looks rather like vintage Messi. I am probably biased though

That's why I don't usually stay too long on the Messi thread myself. Few interesting points are made there. It's usually a one way street, insane praise if he plays good and excuses if he plays bad.

Having spent an ungodly amount of time in here and made plety of excuses for Leo, I have found that people who make excuses do so as a response to the people who say that he's playing shit etc despite putting in a decent performance. So no its not a one way street, plenty of people here say he's off form this seasonwhen he clearly isn't bar a few bad finishes

 

[serghei]

I see what you are saying, but I beg to differ here:

I see strings of one or two liners of praises when he plays well from folks that maximally will be about two or three pages long, and strings of long and wordy paragraphs bleakly moaning the downhill spiral of Messi that will easily fill up 5-10 pages.

But why should I express my praise of Messi over another 50 comments that say exactly the same thing? There is more to talk about when things go wrong, just like most of the news on TV are about bad things that happen. It's natural. When things are right people take them for granted and are too happy to talk about them.

Besides, when Messi plays like crazy I'm too busy abusing the replay button on youtube to find the time post here (to say what some other user has already said).

 

[Chainsaw]

I am probably biased though

+1

 

[serghei]

Yes but can you say an introvert lacks ambition or the drive to succeed? Messi wouldn't even be a professional player of his caliber if that were the case. He'd be a Bojan instead.

No, but I can say an introvert is less likely to resist high stress. And Messi has had a lot of stress on his shoulders lately. Too much attention on how he plays, if he wants to be subbed, if he cheated on taxes, if he quits the national team, if he leaves Barcelona, how much he earns etc. etc. He is not the kind of person who can shrug off that kind of pressure with ease.

 

[KingMessi]

No, but I can say an introvert is less likely to resist high stress. And Messi has had a lot of stress on his shoulders lately. Too much attention on how he plays, if he wants to be subbed, if he cheated on taxes, if he quits the national team, if he leaves Barcelona, how much he earns etc. etc. He is not the kind of person who can shrug off that kind of pressure with ease.

Okay that makes a bit more sense. You can add stress from being a father and a family man to that now as well.

 

[Mitchell1978]

This is your hunch or a substantiated fact?

I very much doubt that it is true.

Its as much a fact as the rubbish sergei posted. There's absolutely no correlation between being an introvert and being competitive, and thats fact. I'm an introvert and i was always a lot more competitive then my more extrovert friends.

Further you don't achieve what Messi has done without being driven, without being competitive, you don't succeed on talent alone, not even Messi. Besides a lot of his ex-teammates have said Messi is very competitive.

 

[Mitchell1978]

No, but I can say an introvert is less likely to resist high stress.

More rubbish from you, there's absolutely no evidence of this. In fact, according to my experiences its the opposite.

 

[Mitchell1978]

The opposite of Ronaldo.

Lol, they are probably more alike then you realise. Enough with the nonsense that Messi is all talent and Ronalde worked harder. They're both extremely talented and both worked very hard to get where they are right now.

 

[Egert]

Wb Messi: "In England, taking mate with Di Maria and waiting for the game" [messi]

 

[beautifulgame]

Lol, they are probably more alike then you realise. Enough with the nonsense that Messi is all talent and Ronalde worked harder. They're both extremely talented and both worked very hard to get where they are right now.

Finally some basic sense. Cheers