10 - Lionel Messi - v4

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I don't think Messi plays where he wants and does what he wants on the pitch. That would be unacceptable imo. You play where the manager asks you to play. Team comes first.


That's not really what's been said. Messi could have come forward with the idea as the tactics were discussed, or maybe lucho gave him more freedom for this game.

Or maybe lucho came up with it. What's certain is that he gave it a go eventually.
 
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serghei

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I think you are missing a key point i have tried to highlight. If messi is playing deep in mid, and midfielder are covering him. That creates ample of space for OTHERs to exploit.
So i am not sure a player has to play in a particular position 50 odd matches in a season, once a while he can adjust roles to create element of surprise. Plus a team can have several setups playing models using the same 11 within a single match too.

The opponent crowded the dangerous areas and left space for us in the right. But there was no one covering the RW spot. Other have to create that space for Messi, not the other way around. You use Messi to create space for Alves? Please, it was just a case of hilariously bad tactics. Messi is much much too valuable in 1 vs 1 to put him in a super-crowded zone. You de-crowd that zone by playing him closer to the right margin of the field and drawing opponents to that area (thus creating more space for our midfielders and Suarez in the center). That's the tactic which worked wonders last season, and Lucho should just stop trying to be a tactical genius. It's not his thing. He has a great functional team that just needs to play the game everyone knows. We don't beat opponents by surprising them. We beat them by doing the expected things at a very very high level.

Lucho's great tactic ruined our wing play totally, up to the degree that there wasn't one.
 
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yahudi

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http://www.theguardian.com/news/201...y-crisis-juan-pedro-damiani-eugenio-figueredo

The world’s best footballer, Lionel Messi, is one of the high-profile people who crop up in the Panama Papers. Records show he and his father, Jorge Horacio, were the ultimate beneficial owners of a company called Mega Star Enterprises, registered by Mossack Fonseca in February 2012. There is nothing unlawful about having an offshore company.


Both men are currently on trial in Spain for tax evasion. That case centres on the alleged simulated transfer of image rights into front companies with no business activity in Uruguay and Belize. Both men have denied the accusations and instead blamed a former financial adviser. Jorge Messi made a voluntary corrective payment of €5m in August 2013. Mega Star enterprises is not mentioned in the case.


The Guardian contacted Messi about Mega Star 12 days ago. He has not responded. His father declined to comment to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.
 
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Flavia

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The opponent crowded the dangerous areas and left space for us in the right. But there was no one covering the RW spot. Other have to create that space for Messi, not the other way around. You use Messi to create space for Alves? Please, it was just a case of hilariously bad tactics. Messi is much much too valuable in 1 vs 1 to put him in a super-crowded zone. You de-crowd that zone by playing him closer to the right margin of the field and drawing opponents to that area (thus creating more space for our midfielders and Suarez in the center). That's the tactic which worked wonders last season, and Lucho should just stop trying to be a tactical genius. It's not his thing. He has a great functional team that just needs to play the game everyone knows. We don't beat opponents by surprising them. We beat them by doing the expected things at a very very high level.

Lucho's great tactic ruined our wing play totally, up to the degree that there wasn't one.

It was weird that Suarez didn't even try to exploit the rw either. It was one big mess.
 

ThwiX

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Or that Lucho didn't see that it wasn't working at all and changed it during the game, break, or whenever. It was plain obvious after 5 minutes that Messi wasn't working in that role yesterday, but nothing was done to change it.
 

6 Ballons for Messi

but what if he wins 7??
Maybe he was out of it psychologically, since this new massive storm broke out regarding offshore companies in panama.
I imagine leo will be shaking in his boots, he can lose everything.
 

El Flaco

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Everything about Messi from the article regarding Panama papers

Among the names: Lionel Messi.

The Barcelona star, a five-time world player of the year, is already under indictment in Spain on charges that he and his father, Jorge Horacio Messi, used offshore companies in Belize and Uruguay to stiff the government out of millions of dollars in taxes.

The leaked documents show that Messi and his father owned yet another offshore company in Panama: Mega Star Enterprises.

The first reference to the company in Mossack Fonseca’s files came on June 13, 2013 - one day after Spanish prosecutors first filed tax fraud charges against Messi and his father. An email indicated that responsibility for handling the company’s paperwork was being transferred to Mossack Fonseca from another offshore corporate agent.

The first reference in the files to the Messis owning Mega Star came less than two weeks later, on June 23rd, 2013.

Through his father, Messi declined to comment for this story.

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The soccer players whose names appear in the Mossack Fonseca files hail from Brazil, Uruguay, the United Kingdom, Turkey, Serbia, The Netherlands and Sweden, among other countries. Most seemed to have used the law firm’s services to create offshore companies to hold the money they earned selling their image rights to athletic shoe companies and other advertisers.

Lionel Messi and his father, who served as his son’s agent, are slated to stand trial on tax fraud charges starting May 31st. Accused of shortchanging the government out of nearly $6.5 million in taxes by shielding his image rights in an offshore network, Messi has paid the back taxes the government said he owed for the years 2007-2009.

Messi denies that he deliberately tried to deceive anyone.

Mega Star Enterprises, the offshore company owned by Messi and his father at least as far back as 2013 , is not mentioned in the Spanish government’s 2014 and 2015 indictments against the pair. The leaked records show Messi signed at least one document reflecting his ownership of Mega Star, but that his father, Jorge Messi, took over sole ownership of the company in December 2015. The company remains active in Panama’s company register.

Messi isn’t alone when it comes to using offshore havens.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/...s-become-enmeshed-in-offshore-world-1.2595555
 

Topolino

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This is what you grt when you let someone else handle your money. People get greedy. Someone else is probably going to walk away with a shit ton of money and everyone on the list are going ti have their careers etc ruined because they trusted someone.
 
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