10 - Lionel Messi - v4

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TornAndFrayed

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Always nice to get different insight


Messi has struggled a bit early on to be as effective for Argentina as for barça, but not more and it's been years. 2011 I think is the turning point, although messi had an excellent 2010 world cup playing as a sort of trequartista. In 2014 he was the crucial contributor to like 75% of Argentina's goals. But Argentina sucked, especially Higuain, Di maria save for his goal, etc.

That said you'll agree I think that messi isn't just the best club player ever, he'sthe most individually gifted
No one could ever dribble with such ease and frequency through 2-5 players. And dribbling in itself is the pinnacle of football skills. The other part of genius is vision. And here, although not as clear cut as dribbling, Messi is also a GOAT pretender. Finishing ? He's easily top 5 in terms of goalscoring, and only one of the others (Bikan, Muller, Pelé, Romario ? of course a few other names could be mentioned here) has a realistic claim to best ever. Playing in the very beginning of football's professionalization.

Messi is the greatest ever.
You may have a point about Platini, Baggio, Zidane > Zico, I'm way too young to judge, only watched Zidane (a lot). Here in France Zidane is universally rated as the best french player, both in skills and careers, never mind Platini's ballons d'or

that said messi is the most individually gifted player there's ever been, NT or club doesn't make a difference in this regard.
 
Vlom

Vlom

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[MENTION=19656]LordLichtenstein[/MENTION] Best sig ever mate :)

Not gonna get into the GOAT discussion again, it's gonna end up giving me diabetes. To each his own.
 
xavi_the_Boss

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KingMessi said:
His play was lacking, but he was instrumental nonetheless. He carried Argentina out of the group stage, assisted the winner against Switzerland, and, IIRC, gave the pre-assist for Higuain's winner against Belgium. And after Di Maria went down, Argentina as a whole bunkered down, leaving Messi to do everything himself in attack. However, even Messi is human and when you have it all to do yourself, even the best of the best can come up short.
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Yeah he still was very important for them as that team played pretty poor.
But many people said he is saving himself for the WC during Barcas season and tbh he didn´t look better at all.Not only his overall play but he just looked incredible lazy that year.
 
Vlom

Vlom

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You have an obvious issue with embeds mate :lol:

For all of them (twitter, youtube, etc..) you need to insert only the ID not the entire url.
 
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Ageuro and Di Maria were never fit and it showed. Not to mention Higuain is absolute cat-piss. Messi was still discipled enough to know his prescence alone would terrify opponents. Even then Argies must of had at least 3 great chances to score in the final.


But above all else, a proper manager would have walked it with Argies. Imagine Cholo in charge; he'd have brought a playmaker (Pastore), played Messi closer to goal, and surely have Otamendi ahead of Fernandez etc.
 
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