10 - Lionel Messi - v5

[JamDav1982]

He was lazy, yet he was getting the ball 3rd most often of the entire field. You make no sense.

Messi had 84% pass success, which is, wait for it....... his career average!!! Shocker!!

JamDav you simply didn't watch the game are just here spinning smoke. Go away man.

Yeah him being lazy and mainly walking about centrally doesnt mean he wont get the ball to his feet.......

84% fourth worst in team and lost it more than anyone else and didnt create much.

Did watch it. Go away or block me. Easy solution.

 

[Mitchell1978]

Ok, sorry.

Nothing good ever happened when Messi played in the middle AFTER PEP and AFTER teams figured out how to neutralize Tiki-Taka and actions through the middle.

Even in the recent treble season where he started on the wing he spent vast amounts of time playing through the middle.
Face it, he's not going back to the wing and unlike what some say playing in the middle is where he has played the majority of his career and in his youth days.
We just need better wingers and a better midfield around him.

 

[JamDav1982]

No need to prove that Messi did multiple key things in attack today. Give it 4 hours or so and the match-comp will be out, and we can go second by second to show everything he did that should've led to an effective attack or goal. There were plenty of those moments, counters he started on his own by dropping Casemiro/Kovacic/etc. and plays that Suarez royally fucked up.

But no need to speak of it from memory, it will be seen hard and clear in footage. Obv not his best match today, but the idea that he barely did anything is laughably ridiculous and will be proven to be the monumentally stupid opinion that it is.

Ok I expect to see the 'bunch of chances' he set up as well.

 

[JamDav1982]

Even in the recent treble season where he started on the wing he spent vast amounts of time playing through the middle.
Face it, he's not going back to the wing and unlike what some say playing in the middle is where he has played the majority of his career and in his youth days.
We just need better wingers and a better midfield around him.

He stuck out wide far more often in that treble season.

Virtually a different position he plays now and last season.

 

[DonAndres]

Ok I expect to see the 'bunch of chances' he set up as well.

Dunno about chances, as that's a very narrow stats definition and I wasn't the one to claim he set up a "bunch of chances" as I realize that a 'chance' is very specific and also depends on the actions of the receiver. A great playmaking action doesn't necessarily lead to a created chance in stats definitions, and he had plenty of great actions that were to make plays or to create and attempt to finish attacks on his own.

The high level of involvement, many dribbles, penalty goal, and then video footage of the several great actions he had should be enough to prove that he had an active and good game even if it was mixed and not the highest level Messi himself is capable of.

 

[NoExpectations]

on neymar away at PSG

wouldnt have been praising him as better than the rest.

Turned up, played well and did his job. Only player that created anything.

Before that home PSG game he was the only Barca player that turned up away to PSG

 

[BBZ8800]

Even in the recent treble season where he started on the wing he spent vast amounts of time playing through the middle.
Face it, he's not going back to the wing and unlike what some say playing in the middle is where he has played the majority of his career and in his youth days.
We just need better wingers and a better midfield around him.

We won a treble mostly because he returned to a RW, sorry.
He is easily neutralized in the middle (POST PEP).

He touches the ball more and on paper it looks that he is more involved.
But he has like 5-6 opponents between him and a goal and a team in general just sucks (on larger samples) when he is in the middle.

An actual midfield who could hold the ball and create something might help.

 

[Sumlit]

Yeah him being lazy and mainly walking about centrally doesnt mean he wont get the ball to his feet.......

84% fourth worst in team and lost it more than anyone else and didnt create much.

Did watch it. Go away or block me. Easy solution.

I don't know how relevant it is to say 84% is fourth worst on the team when I just proved to you that is his career average passing %, and it was by far the best passing % of all forwards on both teams bar Bale who attempted a whopping 17 passes.

Also, Messi was dispossessed 3 times only, as much as Isco who is being lauded. That's what happens when you're the sole creator of the team.


But it doesn't matter, like DonAndres said, game comp will be out soon enough to show just how full of shit you are, but I suspect not even that will convince you as your main goal is to argue, regardless of what it is that is being argued.

 

[JamDav1982]

Dunno about chances, as that's a very narrow stats definition and I wasn't the one to claim he set up a "bunch of chances" as I realize that a 'chance' is very specific and also depends on the actions of the receiver. A great playmaking action doesn't necessarily lead to a created chance in stats definitions, and he had plenty of great actions that were to make plays or to create and attempt to finish attacks on his own.

The high level of involvement, many dribbles, penalty goal, and then video footage of the several great actions he had should be enough to prove that he had an active and good game even if it was mixed and not the highest level Messi himself is capable of.

I know you didnt claim it but seemed to scoff when I challenged it.

Chances would mean setting up someone for an opportunity on goal.

 

[DonAK]

We won a treble mostly because he returned to a RW, sorry.
He is easily neutralized in the middle (POST PEP).

He touches the ball more and on paper it looks that he is more involved.
But he has like 5-6 opponents between him and a goal and a team in general just sucks (on larger samples) when he is in the middle.

An actual midfield who could hold the ball and create something might help.

If we had a midfield that could create and get him the ball a bit wider on the wing, then I think Messi would be more of a RW or at least not come to the middle so much.

Unfortunately our midfield is only good for passing the ball back or between themselves. To advance the play forward, Messi almost has to be in the middle and drop deep.

 

[JamDav1982]

I don't know how relevant it is to say 84% is fourth worst on the team when I just proved to you that is his career average passing %, and it was by far the best passing % of all forwards on both teams bar Bale who attempted a whopping 17 passes.

Also, Messi was dispossessed 3 times only, as much as Isco who is being lauded. That's what happens when you're the sole creator of the team.


But it doesn't matter, like DonAndres said, game comp will be out soon enough to show just how full of shit you are, but I suspect not even that will convince you as your main goal is to argue, regardless of what it is that is being argued.

If he is playing false nine or from the wing would epect his passing to be lower. When like tonight he plays virtually AM and CF on front of him and players around him not so much. I think he plays it like a second striker more than an AM and it doesnt help tempo as much etc. It breaks down against the better teams to often and he tries too many risky things overall.

He wasnt the sole creator. He got the ball fairly often and created one or two more chances than the other players. Denis probably created best chance.

You are the one full of shit as usual and game comp and some nice moves wont tell me he created a lot of chances or played well as an AM.

 

[JamDav1982]

If we had a midfield that could create and get him the ball a bit wider on the wing, then I think Messi would be more of a RW or at least not come to the middle so much.

Unfortunately our midfield is only good for passing the ball back or between themselves. To advance the play forward, Messi almost has to be in the middle and drop deep.

I agree with that. He doesnt trust midfield to get him the ball enough out wide but he doesnt play nearly as well central with a striker on front of him and he doesnt help dictate play the way would want a Barca mid too in my opinion.

He needs to be at the end of things and getting ball less but better areas out wide.

 

[JamDav1982]

on neymar away at PSG

Yes away to PSG he was by far Barcas best player and only one to work hard and create anything.

What is your point?

 

[Batistuta9]

You keep saying denis created the best chance. But if i am not mistaken, he tried to shoot and it fell into busquets path

 

[DonAK]

I agree with that. He doesnt trust midfield to get him the ball enough out wide but he doesnt play nearly as well central with a striker on front of him and he doesnt help dictate play the way would want a Barca mid too in my opinion.

He needs to be at the end of things and getting ball less but better areas out wide.

We need two new midfielders for that. Not just two new midfielders, but two midfielders that are creative, composed and controlled. Also need Semedo involved and firing ASAP.

Either that, or alter the tactics radically.