10 - Lionel Messi - v5

[TS88]

Maradona had a better individual World Cup than Messi has ever had no doubt but Argentina had s far stronger side back then.

Maradona had nothing like the club career Messi had or even had any other top intl tournaments.

You have to admit that Maradona scored more beautiful goals than Messi. Of course, when you play with one of the greatest club sides of all time, thats only natural. Xavi and Iniesta were so key to Messis success. It is such a shame that neither have won a BD because they throughly deserved too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipl1mInKbY

 

[dakt]

Messi did well during the world cup ? smh I don't know what WC you was watching but it wasnt the 2014 WC in brazil thats for sure. Messi was walking through that whole tournament and he didn't do much. Even Ron Vlaar marked Messi out of the semi final game smh Messi did absolutely nothing, should indicate to you how bad Messi was during that WC. Then Messi missed the huge chance against germany in the final so you cannot only blame higuain for missing chances. He mostly walked through that whole final. Him being voted the player of the tournament was a joke and only happened because of his reputation. Argentina has been waiting for a hero like Maradona to win them another world cup and Messi has failed to do that. Argentina had high hopes but they keep being let down.

So how many world cups did Di Stefano won?
How many champions league titles did Maradona won?

No matter how good you are, you still need a team. This is a team sport, so bullshits like "Di Stefano did everything" won't pass in sane brain. Football is also a sport where luck plays huge role, referees also. So average team can pick up titles, while strong teams can loose them. Messi has played in 3 finals with NT in 3 major competitions. Had he had a better luck, this could have ended veeeeeery differently.

 

[TS88]

So how many world cups did Di Stefano won?
How many champions league titles did Maradona won?

No matter how good you are, you still need a team. This is a team sport, so bullshits like "Di Stefano did everything" won't pass in sane brain. Football is also a sport where luck plays huge role, referees also. So average team can pick up titles, while strong teams can loose them. Messi has played in 3 finals with NT in 3 major competitions. Had he had a better luck, this could have ended veeeeeery differently.

Di Stefano won five european cups in a row and made the white shirt of RM famous. What more needs to be said?
Messi said he would swap all of his achievements for a WC winners medal, doesn't that tell you something?

 

[dakt]

Di Stefano won five european cups in a row and made the white shirt of RM famous. What more needs to be said?

How many world cups? People often say that Messi is not better than Maradona because he never won a WC but these are not requirements for Di Stefano?

Messi said he would swap all of his achievements for a WC winners medal, doesn't that tell you something?

Yes, that he loves Argentina.

 

[DonAK]

If you followed his comments in the match chat earlier, it's clear he dislikes Messi for some reason lol

If the argument made for Maradona is his WC where his team mates finished their chances which Messi's team mates didn't, then you can make the argument for Messi having a far greater club career so overall outweighs him there, and he has done it without Xavi and Iniesta on the field so don't use that BS 2010 argument.

 

[TS88]

If you followed his comments in the match chat earlier, it's clear he dislikes Messi for some reason lol

If the argument made for Maradona is his WC where his team mates finished their chances which Messi's team mates didn't, then you can make the argument for Messi having a far greater club career so overall outweighs him there, and he has done it without Xavi and Iniesta on the field so don't use that BS 2010 argument.

Messi sucks unless he dribbles 11 players and scores - TS88

I never said that about Messi, stop putting words in my mouth because you disagree with my views. So would you kindly take that off please as its pure disinfo. Of course, the WC is the pinnacle of Football.

 

[Kohe321]

Anyone presenting the argument for trophies being a measurement for individual skill or greatness are beyond reason and not worth arguing with.

The best player of all time could've been born in Norway and never ever win any significant trophy with the NT. He could also have poor luck with his choice of clubs and never win any trophies there either, even if he himself scored goals and played well in all major competitions.

Of course there is often some correlation between trophies and a players individual greatness, but there is no absolute link between them. To think otherwise is to take reductionism to the extreme.

 

[Kohe321]

To make that point brutally clear with an example: Thomas Muller has the WC, CL, league and domestic cup trophy, yet he's not even close to being in the running of a "greatest ever", yet by the logic of trophies determining greatness he would be.

Trophies are a team effort. This is not difficult.

 

[JamDav1982]

You have to admit that Maradona scored more beautiful goals than Messi. Of course, when you play with one of the greatest club sides of all time, thats only natural. Xavi and Iniesta were so key to Messis success. It is such a shame that neither have won a BD because they throughly deserved too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipl1mInKbY

Mess was best player when Barca won treble in 2015 and that was a counter attacking team not built on Xavi/Iniesta.

 

[henias]

Messi did well during the world cup ? smh I don't know what WC you was watching but it wasnt the 2014 WC in brazil thats for sure. Messi was walking through that whole tournament and he didn't do much. Even Ron Vlaar marked Messi out of the semi final game smh Messi did absolutely nothing, should indicate to you how bad Messi was during that WC. Then Messi missed the huge chance against germany in the final so you cannot only blame higuain for missing chances. He mostly walked through that whole final. Him being voted the player of the tournament was a joke and only happened because of his reputation. Argentina has been waiting for a hero like Maradona to win them another world cup and Messi has failed to do that. Argentina had high hopes but they keep being let down. Messi chocking in those finals does not help his case. Missing that penalty in the last copa final was just terrible.

Lol you and your Maradona fetish and fantasies. Theres no ifs in football. Its a different era, people then cant even see the players in their fuzzy black and white glitchy ass TV. U cant compare even if u want to. Too bad. Who knows Messi would actually win 3 world cups if he travelled back time. No one knows for sure. A simple altercation in time and space would have changed the entire history and caused a mass of butterfly effects. So stop your wishful thinking.

And possibly the "best" Argentina side in 2014 did so little in attacking bcos they were sitting so deep in their box and relied on Messi to dribble and bring the ball forward. Messi was hardly near the goal and was rarely at the receiving end. Just bcos Ron Vlaar made that one good tackle? Lmao. Messi was marked by 4-5 players at the right flank alone. And Ron Vlaar still missed the penalty in the end. He still did jack shit. The clearest chances were offered to Higuain, he even had time with nobody pressuring him at all and still missed the goal completely. Tats almost as bad as Torres miss in 2013. Messi's one was a little tight and far away frm goal, even if he closed the angle slightly it would have hit neuer or the post. Palacio missed the best chances against Netherlands and the finals as well.

 

[mark1nhu]

Anyone saying Messi is not the greatest because he doesn't have a WC title is simply saying Higuain or Palacio were the one responsible for making or not making him the greatest player ever.

And there is nothing more stupid than classifying a player for stuff others did or did not, instead of stuff he himself did.

 

[Kohe321]

Anyone saying Messi is not the greatest because he doesn't have a WC title is simply saying Higuain or Palacio were the one responsible for making or not making him the greatest player ever.

And there is nothing more stupid than classifying a player for stuff others did or did not, instead of stuff he himself did.

Wait, are you saying that Palacio is in fact not the ultimate source and catalyst of greatness?

 

[Horatio]

Messi sucks lol

 

[KingLeo10]

TS88 is a wind-up merchant, thought this was apparent from his chat comments a couple weeks back.

 

[mark1nhu]

Wait, are you saying that Palacio is in fact not the ultimate source and catalyst of greatness?

Exactly that! Palacio does his part, you're the greatest.