10 - Lionel Messi - v5

Stoichkov1

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Barca have been better than Real in most likely three of the past four league seasons and dominated head to heads.

Couldnt care less about points totals as long as the better team in individual seasons.

Three leagues in four years and three cups even if Real fucked up in one and winning at their place three times and scoring ten.

That is dominating and a far bigger range to judge on than a few CL games.

Yet you will ignore all that and say Real so superior due to CL...

Winning the league by 2 points/1 point is not dominating at all. I agree we dominated the head to heads though. Real doesn't give a fuck about copa del rey.

The few CL games are the most important. You're claiming that we have the better starting xi because we dominate the head to head while i'm claiming they have the better players because they dominate in the CL against the best teams in the world.
 

JamDav1982

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Winning the league by 2 points/1 point is not dominating at all. I agree we dominated the head to heads though. Real doesn't give a fuck about copa del rey.

The few CL games are the most important. You're claiming that we have the better starting xi because we dominate the head to head while i'm claiming they have the better players because they dominate in the CL against the best teams in the world.

Doesnt matter how much win the league by if you are winning three leagues out of four and three cups on the bounce while whipping them on head to head you are dominating domestically.

Fairly desperate to try and argue otherwise.

CL is important and Barca who have proven to be the better side domestically have not been as good. Individuals levels have dropped and some bad decisions.

Real have had more players performing, less fuck ups by manager and benefited from a decent slice of luck.

So their better players cant beat Barcas or get the better of them domestically across that time in a far larger sample of games but you want to make all claims about them due to CL.

Sorry but that is a really weak argument.
 

Stoichkov1

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Doesnt matter how much win the league by if you are winning three leagues out of four and three cups on the bounce while whipping them on head to head you are dominating domestically.

Fairly desperate to try and argue otherwise.

CL is important and Barca who have proven to be the better side domestically have not been as good. Individuals levels have dropped and some bad decisions.

Real have had more players performing, less fuck ups by manager and benefited from a decent slice of luck.

So their better players cant beat Barcas or get the better of them domestically across that time in a far larger sample of games but you want to make all claims about them due to CL.

Sorry but that is a really weak argument.

Scoring 10 goals at the bernabeu is calling dominating. Winning the league by 2 points means the two teams are extremely close in performances during a large sample of games. One more defeat for us and one more win for them and they win the league.

Real also had luck only in 2016 with their ridiculously easy teams they faced in the CL. They couldn't even beat Atletico after 120 mins.

However in 2014 they won 5-0 against Bayern, 4-1 against Atletico; in 2017 3-0 against Atletico in the first leg, 2-1 and 4-2 against Bayern, 4-1 against Juventus. That's called domination. Meanwhile Barca gets knocked out by Atletico twice and trashed by PSG and Juventus.
 
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JamDav1982

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Scoring 10 goals at the bernabeu is calling dominating. Winning the league by 2 points means the two teams are extremely close at performing during a large sample of games. One more defeat for us and one more win for them and they win the league.

Real also had luck only in 2016 with their ridiculously easy teams they faced in the CL. They couldn't even beat Atletico after 120 mins.

However in 2014 they won 5-0 against Bayern, 4-1 against Atletico; in 2017 3-0 against Atletico in the first leg, 2-1 and 4-2 against Bayern, 4-1 against Juventus. That's called domination. Meanwhile Barca gets knocked out by Atletico twice and trashed by PSG and Juventus.

Can say it again but dominating the league is about titles not point totals. Really desperate point.

Barca are dominating them domestically in terms of trophies and head to heads while Real have been better in CL. Simple as that.

There is no way Barca are the better side domestically in that way if inferior.

I have said they have been fairly evenly matched in terms of ability but Barca go upper hand domestically but Real in CL.

You want to take the CL to prove Real are superior in starting line up and squad. Not for me
 

Stoichkov1

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Can say it again but dominating the league is about titles not point totals. Really desperate point.

Barca are dominating them domestically in terms of trophies and head to heads while Real have been better in CL. Simple as that.

There is no way Barca are the better side domestically in that way if inferior.

I have said they have been fairly evenly matched in terms of ability but Barca go upper hand domestically but Real in CL.

You want to take the CL to prove Real are superior in starting line up and squad. Not for me


It's not about trophies when the point difference is so small. You could say that Juve is dominating the league since the second team is usally 6/8 points behind. Between Juve and Napoli/Roma there's a real gap in quality which is reflected on the points they get at the end of the season. The same can't be said about Barca and Real. Barca has won 2 of the last 3(probably 3 of the last 4) league titles dominating the head to head matches just like Juve, it doesn't mean that the gap in quality between Juve and Napoli is as big as the gap between Barca and Real.
 

JamDav1982

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It's not about trophies when the point difference is so small. You could say that Juve is dominating the league since the second team is usally 6/8 points behind. Between Juve and Napoli/Roma there's a real gap in quality which is reflected on the points they get at the end of the season. The same can't be said about Barca and Real. Barca has won 2 of the last 3(probably 3 of the last 4) league titles dominating the head to head matches just like Juve, it doesn't mean that the gap in quality between Juve and Napoli is as big as the gap between Barca and Real.

It is all about the trophies. Points totals dont matter and Barca have dominated domestically on those and head to heads.

Barca and Real are so similarly matched and dominant in La Liga they should both have high and fairly similar points tallies. All that matters is who gets more and wins the title.

This idea that Real are better as can deal with top sides doesnt add up either.

If you ask just about anyone in football what is more reflective of a squad it will be domestic campaign and not the CL.
 

Stoichkov1

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It is all about the trophies. Points totals dont matter and Barca have dominated domestically on those and head to heads.

Barca and Real are so similarly matched and dominant in La Liga they should both have high and fairly similar points tallies. All that matters is who gets more and wins the title.

This idea that Real are better as can deal with top sides doesnt add up either.

If you ask just about anyone in football what is more reflective of a squad it will be domestic campaign and not the CL.

Disagree, Real was often the best team in the world when they won the CL and failed to win the league like in 2014.
 

JamDav1982

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Disagree, Real was often the best team in the world when they won the CL and failed to win the league like in 2014.

Disgree all you like but league is seen as the better guide for who is the most consistent and top side across a season but no you want to make sweeping statements based on one shorter competition and a handful of games.

Barca have been the better team domestically and dominated trophies and head to head and Real have dominated in CL.

Real finished third domestically and were not the best team in the world let alone their own league.

Simple as that.
 
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Stoichkov1

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Disgree all you like but league is seen as the better guide for who is the most consistent and top side across a season but no you want to make sweeping statements based on one shorter competition and a handful of games.

Barca have been the better team domestically and dominated trophies and head to head and Real have dominated in CL.

Real finished third domestically and were not the best team in the world let alone their own league.

Simple as that.

so which was the best team in the world in 2014 in your opinion?
 

JamDav1982

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Atletico Madrid.

Won Spanish league and were very unlucky not to win CL.

Came closer to those two trophies as a pair than Real did.
 

Stoichkov1

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No idea.

Who has been the best team in Spain across the past 3 1/2 seasons?

Barcelona.

In 2002 Real finished 4th in the league and won the CL at the same time. It was the first galactico team and it's fair to say that they were the best team in the world that year.
 

JamDav1982

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Barcelona.

In 2002 Real finished 4th in the league and won the CL at the same time. It was the first galactico team and it's fair to say that they were the best team in the world that year.

No it isnt fair to say that if finished 4th in their own league.

Ridiculous claim.

Why do you place more importance on a smaller more random competition like the CL than the domestic league and head to heads to determine the better team?
 

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