10 - Lionel Messi - v5

booge

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I have noticed Messi is scoring alot of goals lately where the keepers are appearing to get a hand on them but it's not enough which leads people to believe the keeper is at mistake. Messi shot's don't appear to have super power to them.

As the English commentator John Motson once said about the Brazilian Ronaldo's finishing. " The technique is phenomenal! "
 

Hardy

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at least everyone in Barca knows Messi is always the best option in that situation, now imagine in NT lord Di Maria or Banega instead of Denis :lol:
 

RMU ReBorn

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Messi outclassed them. That was the only difference.
By that logic it was Messi who outclassed Manchester united , Arsenal , Real madrid back in Pep days . Pep didn't had answers against Bus parking teams (Inter & Chelsea ) . EV is executing plans as per the opponents strength and weakness were as Pep was adamant and refused to change his tactics . Pep has a poor away record as well .
 
at least everyone in Barca knows Messi is always the best option in that situation, now imagine in NT lord Di Maria or Banega instead of Denis :lol:

Banega, on his day is a very good player but inconsistent. But I want Di Maria and Higuain to be farthest away from the squad.

But, I still opine that, Lavezzi is the most significant reason of Messi losing CA 16. He put the ball on plate for Lavezzi. Lavezzi was not marked by the defender and has all the time to make decision of whether to shoot the ball or assist Higuain. Higuain was excellently being in line with the last defender yet Lavezzi ridiculously crossed the ball out of his reach near the cross line. Even when Higuain reached with a slide for the ball it's very difficult to shoot from almost 90°. The moment Messi passed the ball to Lavezzi, I thought they are going to hurt Chile in the last minute. But when I saw Lavezzi's ridiculous cross I know they bottled it.
 
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Ritchie

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By that logic it was Messi who outclassed Manchester united , Arsenal , Real madrid back in Pep days . Pep didn't had answers against Bus parking teams (Inter & Chelsea ) . EV is executing plans as per the opponents strength and weakness were as Pep was adamant and refused to change his tactics . Pep has a poor away record as well .

Barca were dominant in all those games though. Busquets/Xavi/Iniesta dominated the midfield.

Chelsea created a ridiculous amount of chances and were just walking through Barca for much of the tie, whereas under Pep you could barely get the ball off Barca usually. Thankfully Messi took what chances he had and they missed a load and were unlucky with the post. THe only difference between the first leg and PSG/Juve away last season was PSG and Juve were clinical, we actually created more in those games as well but couldn't score.

The tie was more like the 2012 Chelsea tie but in Barca's favour. Thankfully Costa fell out with Conte and Hazard was left out of position up front in the first game.
 
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RMU ReBorn

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Barca were dominant in all those games though. Busquets/Xavi/Iniesta dominated the midfield.

Chelsea created a ridiculous amount of chances and were just walking through Barca for much of the tie, whereas under Pep you could barely get the ball off Barca usually. Thankfully Messi took what chances he had and they missed a load and were unlucky with the post. THe only difference between the first leg and PSG/Juve away last season was PSG and Juve were clinical, we actually created more in those games as well but couldn't score.

The tie was more like the 2012 Chelsea tie but in Barca's favour. Thankfully Costa fell out with Conte and Hazard was left out of position up front in the first game.
Thankfully that , thankfully this blah blah .. What's the point of holding on to possession loosing and calling that domination . With all the dominance in the midfield Pep had a atrocious away record . Jack wilshere dominated that midfield in Emirates and owned us . Once again Messi to the rescue . All the time pep was under scrutiny Messi came to the rescue . Think twice before giving all the credits to Messi ignoring what Valverede has done to this club . Pep didn't had answers to defensively organized teams be it Inter or Chelsea . Yeah keep talking about all the shots on target and midfield domination in the end we got knocked out . what matters is the scoreline and we won on 4-1 aggregate against a defensively organized Chelsea side this time .
 

clemente

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Thankfully that , thankfully this blah blah .. What's the point of holding on to possession loosing and calling that domination . With all the dominance in the midfield Pep had a atrocious away record . Jack wilshere dominated that midfield in Emirates and owned us . Once again Messi to the rescue . All the time pep was under scrutiny Messi came to the rescue . Think twice before giving all the credits to Messi ignoring what Valverede has done to this club . Pep didn't had answers to defensively organized teams be it Inter or Chelsea . Yeah keep talking about all the shots on target and midfield domination in the end we got knocked out . what matters is the scoreline and we won on 4-1 aggregate against a defensively organized Chelsea side this time .

Hate stuff like this, result doesnt reflect the performance, Chelsea at least 10 situations where ball 1 inch to the other side and we are down to at least 3 goals, and from there would be completely different story. Luck was on our side in that CL tie, would take the pep performance over valverde any day.
 

Ritchie

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Thankfully that , thankfully this blah blah .. What's the point of holding on to possession loosing and calling that domination . With all the dominance in the midfield Pep had a atrocious away record . Jack wilshere dominated that midfield in Emirates and owned us . Once again Messi to the rescue . All the time pep was under scrutiny Messi came to the rescue . Think twice before giving all the credits to Messi ignoring what Valverede has done to this club . Pep didn't had answers to defensively organized teams be it Inter or Chelsea . Yeah keep talking about all the shots on target and midfield domination in the end we got knocked out . what matters is the scoreline and we won on 4-1 aggregate against a defensively organized Chelsea side this time .

For how long of that game? Barca totally destroyed Arsenal for an hour in that game at the Emirates but chances were missed and Barca still won the tie and dominated the vast majority of it. The Inter tie was an act of god (ash cloud) and Barca were declining by Pep's last season which tipped the balance of that Chelsea tie which was still lost freakiskly.

Against Chelsea this season the performance levels were poor, Chelsea had far too many good attacks and good chances and Messi saved the day. if we win the CL will I care about that? No, but we won't be beating the likes of Bayern or City over two legs playing like that.

I'm not slating Valverde, I think he's mostly doing what he can with a fairly ordinary team with one extraordinary player.
 

JamDav1982

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Hate stuff like this, result doesnt reflect the performance, Chelsea at least 10 situations where ball 1 inch to the other side and we are down to at least 3 goals, and from there would be completely different story. Luck was on our side in that CL tie, would take the pep performance over valverde any day.

You are completely focusing on the chances Chelsea had and ignoring the four goals and chances Barca had.

Was not great from Barca over the two legs but did not have to be and put them out 4-1 on aggregate.

Not down to luck.
 

RMU ReBorn

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For how long of that game? Barca totally destroyed Arsenal for an hour in that game at the Emirates but chances were missed and Barca still won the tie and dominated the vast majority of it. The Inter tie was an act of god (ash cloud) and Barca were declining by Pep's last season which tipped the balance of that Chelsea tie which was still lost freakiskly.

Against Chelsea this season the performance levels were poor, Chelsea had far too many good attacks and good chances and Messi saved the day. if we win the CL will I care about that? No, but we won't be beating the likes of Bayern or City over two legs playing like that.

I'm not slating Valverde, I think he's mostly doing what he can with a fairly ordinary team with one extraordinary player.
Most top rated managers had goat level players with them when they had success . It's stupid to give all the credits to players and undermines a managers role in football. It's of at most importance in football . Ancelotti in Milan had Maldini , Nesta , Costacurta , Cafu , Kaka , Gattuso etc . Pep's Barca had holy trinity from Masia ( credits to Pep for promoting Busi at 20 ) . Sachhi had Tasotti , Young maldini , Baresi and the dutch trident upfront . of all the dominant sides over the years i would give Saf lot of credits for winning the treble . If you look at that team ,yeah they had lot of young talents but far from being compared to best players of 90's like Zidane , Rivaldo , Figo , Ronaldo etc . So you can't undervalue what EV is doing . Crediting everything to Messi in a 3-0 win is plane stupid . He was our best player but if it was down to his brilliance alone , Argentina would have won 3 trophys by now. Only decent manager they had since the turn of the decade is sebella and they lost to the best national team at that time in the finals . So managers aren't just puppets in football .
 
Hate stuff like this, result doesnt reflect the performance, Chelsea at least 10 situations where ball 1 inch to the other side and we are down to at least 3 goals, and from there would be completely different story. Luck was on our side in that CL tie, would take the pep performance over valverde any day.

Luck and shot accuracy played the most important part in our win against Chelsea. The same match played, Chelsea would've won 6 out of 10 times.

But Pep's performance against Chelsea was horrible to watch. There's no tactic at all. Just greatest players holding onto the ball and trying to find spaces which seldom existed. And that's not even taken into consideration our horrendous defense.
 

JamDav1982

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Luck and shot accuracy played the most important part in our win against Chelsea. The same match played, Chelsea would've won 6 out of 10 times.

But Pep's performance against Chelsea was horrible to watch. There's no tactic at all. Just greatest players holding onto the ball and trying to find spaces which seldom existed. And that's not even taken into consideration our horrendous defense.

No it wasnt luck. Was it luck for Chelsea that Paulinho missed the header in first game at 0-0?

Barca scored early and sat back after that. Chelsea had a lot of attempts but Barca still created the better ones on the break.

The pattern of that game was on Barca scoring two early goals.

I dont really like the way Barca played in that second leg when 2-0 up but with Busi and Iniesta not looking fit and strength of Barcas defence can understand why they did it.

The way Messi and Suarez are left up the pitch at times and dont defend waiting on the break is poor to watch and gives other team too much of ball in midfield.
 

RMU ReBorn

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Hate stuff like this, result doesnt reflect the performance, Chelsea at least 10 situations where ball 1 inch to the other side and we are down to at least 3 goals, and from there would be completely different story. Luck was on our side in that CL tie, would take the pep performance over valverde any day.
For god's sake please don't forget the fact that we are playing with Paulinho as the fourth midfielder and other one is 34 year old Iniesta then it's down to Busi and Raki's job is to stem the flow of counters . This team is far from being invincible and Ev has done a wonderful job with it . I would take a 3-0 win over chelsea any freaking day . Years down the lane nobody gives a shit to how we played . Real played utter useless football and won the Cl in 2016 . who gives a fuck to that ? Cl number 11 in their hall of fame . That's all it matters . Chelsea fans has been shitting on Barca and Messi for years because of their record against us . I was hoping against all the odds for us to draw chelsea in knock outs and thankfully that happened .
 

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