11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[Heavy]

So many people here are missing the point. Generally speaking, 30 goals is a great number. However, once you take into account other goalscorers this season, the team and the ranking of the team that Neymar plays for, their number of goals combined, who his teammates are, how much they set him up, how many chances he could have also converted, etc., 30 becomes a good number, but not an extremely impressive one. It makes no sense to compare his numbers to a season 7 years ago when two of the top scorers had 30-ish goals.

But if you look at important goals, he shows he isn't just a kid.

The GOAT Messi, The SPIRITED Suarez and Neymar dos Santos a MAN!

 

[Jombi]

Sorry, I'm not going to praise a €97,000,000 player for being able to get into scoring positions. That's the least that is expected of him, that's why we bought him. I will, however, praise him, when he plays to the best of his abilities and the results show. Also, he has incredible help from Messi and Suarez, which the likes of Griezmann and Bacca don't have.

What? You are not going to praise a player for his ability to read the game and ability to smell a goal opportunity? Thats arguably the most important skill of a forward, even more than finishing abilities. Criticizing a player for poor finishing but not criticizing a player for poor movement makes no sense.

Griezmann and Bacca doesnt have two other dominant goal scorers on their team whenever they play. They are focal points of their teams. That makes a huge difference. And they also play more centrally than Neymar.

 

[Barcalove]

So many people here are missing the point. Generally speaking, 30 goals is a great number. However, once you take into account other goalscorers this season, the team and the ranking of the team that Neymar plays for, their number of goals combined, who his teammates are, how much they set him up, how many chances he could have also converted, etc., 30 becomes a good number, but not an extremely impressive one. It makes no sense to compare his numbers to a season 7 years ago when two of the top scorers had 30-ish goals.

I think you are the one missing the point.

Neymar numbers vs hard opposition is better than Griezman,Mandzukic,benzema and Bale COMBINED , how in earth isnt fair to compare to FOUR STRIKERS COMBINED, when that FOUR STRIKERS plays for the 2 best teams in spain

Do you think that Messi only, creates more than Modric,James,Cristiano ronaldo, Isco,benzema,Bale,arda turan,Koke, griezman and Mandzukic combined???

Not even 2 messis could create more than 2 full squads of the best teams of spain and in the earth

 

[StarLord]

Score against Bayern Ney!

Shut all them haters up.

 

[BBZ8800]

Neymar has 33 goals in 42 games as a wide player, Griezmann has 25 in 51 and wont get over 30.

Neymar has been one of the top 4/5 attacking players in the world this season regardless of how much he costs.

Number of matches where Atletico scored 4 goals in La liga this Season=4
Number of matches where Atletico scored 5 goals in La liga: -
Number of matches where Atletico scored 6 goals in La liga: -

Number of matches where Barca scored 4 goals in La liga: 2
Number of matches where Barca scored 5 goals in La liga: 6
Number of matches where Barca scored 6 goals in La liga: 4
Number of matches where Barca scored 7 goals in La liga: -
Number of matches where Barca scored 8 goals in La liga: 1

Griezmann cup goals=1
Neymar cup goals=6

Barca's goals in La liga=105
Atletico's goals in La liga=65

You see, stats can be interpreted in 100s of ways.
These stats from my post imply that Griezmann would easily score 30-40 Goals if he played in the current Barca which had 10 matches with 5-6 scored goals in La liga this Season.

Is Griezmann then better than Samuel Eto'o also?
Further, Griezman in poor Atletico has better than stats than prime Ronaldinho.
Is Griezmann a Goat then, or one of Top5 players in the world?

What should we do now about those stats?

So many people here are missing the point. Generally speaking, 30 goals is a great number. However, once you take into account other goalscorers this season, the team and the ranking of the team that Neymar plays for, their number of goals combined, who his teammates are, how much they set him up, how many chances he could have also converted, etc., 30 becomes a good number, but not an extremely impressive one. It makes no sense to compare his numbers to a season 7 years ago when two of the top scorers had 30-ish goals.

+1 yep

 

[JamDav1982]

Number of matches where Atletico scored 4 goals in La liga this Season=4
Number of matches where Atletico scored 5 goals in La liga: -
Number of matches where Atletico scored 6 goals in La liga: -

Number of matches where Atletico scored 4 goals in La liga: 2
Number of matches where Atletico scored 5 goals in La liga: 6
Number of matches where Atletico scored 6 goals in La liga: 4
Number of matches where Atletico scored 7 goals in La liga: -
Number of matches where Atletico scored 8 goals in La liga: 1

Griezmann cup goals=1
Neymar cup goals=6

Barca's goals in La liga=105
Atletico's goals in La liga=65

You see, stats can be interpreted in 100s of ways.
These stats from my post imply that Griezmann would easily score 30-40 Goals if he played in the current Barca which had 10 matches with 5-6 scored goals in La liga this Season.

Is Griezmann then better than Samuel Eto'o also?
Further, Griezman in poor Atletico has better than stats than prime Ronaldinho.

What should we do now about those stats?

+1 yep

Except Griezmann is not doing anything that other Atletico players have done in the past.

Not even scoring more than last few CFs for Atletico.

Neymar is doing something at Barca that other top forwards out with Messi have failed to do.

 

[Stric]

Completely disregarding that Barca attack more and score more than any other team, well done.

 

[JamDav1982]

Completely disregarding that Barca attack more and score more than any other team, well done.

You are completely ignoring that has been the case since Pep arrived and no one go the number of goals Neymar has beside Messi.

While Atletico have always had CFs scoring more than Griezmann has.

 

[StarLord]

Except Griezmann is not doing anything that other Atletico players have done in the past.

Not even scoring more than last few CFs for Atletico.

Neymar is doing something at Barca that other top forwards out with Messi have failed to do.

I agree.

Many Ney-haters are failing to acknowledge the brutal fact that Neymar has out-performed players such Ibra/Villa/Pedro/Alexis/Henry and even it seems Eto'o.

I am fascinated to see what the Ney-haters will have to resort to next, if Neymar puts Bayern to the sword two nights from now with a couple of golazos!

 

[Vlom]

Are we seriously comparing Griezzman to Neymar now ?

 

[StarLord]

Completely disregarding that Barca attack more and score more than any other team, well done.

The only reason why Barca outscores all the other clubs is that we have the best forward line in the world. Of which Neymar is the youngest but also irreplaceable member.

 

[BBZ8800]

You are completely ignoring that has been the case since Pep arrived and no one go the number of goals Neymar has beside Messi.

While Atletico have always had CFs scoring more than Griezmann has.

1. we are richer and richer each season
2. and we never had a 3 man attack with 3 goats
-- every other attack had 1-2 goats only

So, currently we have a team capable of scoring more than any other Barca's team.
Plus, the difference between Barca, Real and all Cordobas and Almerias is larger and larger.

Again, if Sukki (Suarez) played the whole Season, we would have 2 players with Messi with 30+ Goals.

Does that means that these players are just way better than all other Barca's Fcs individually, or that we have the most expensive attack ever, plus the gap between Barca and Cordobas is larger than ever.
When you sum our team's strength, and a gap between the teams, you get Messi with 50 goals, Cr7 with 40 Goals, and Ney+Suarez with 30 Goals.

Would Etoo score 35-40 goals in the current era?
Lol, hell yes.

 

[JamDav1982]

The only reason why Barca outscores all the other clubs is that we have the best forward line in the world. Of which Neymar is the youngest but also irreplaceable member.

Before this season Real had out scored Barca on 3 of last 4 and it is equal this season....where has there players bar Ronaldo been scoring 30+ every year?

 

[Barcalove]

Yeah bbz is right, thats why a squad good as barça like Real madrid who recently did 9-0, also have a winger who has the same goals as neymar.

Oh wait, he doesnt have half of neymar goals

 

[JamDav1982]

1. we are richer and richer each season
2. and we never had a 3 man attack with 3 goats
-- every other attack had 1-2 goats only

So, currently we have a team capable of scoring more than any other Barca's team.
Plus, the difference between Barca, Real and all Cordobas and Almerias is larger and larger.

Again, if Sukki (Suarez) played the whole Season, we would have 2 players with Messi with 30+ Goals.

Does that means that these players are just way better than all other Barca's Fcs individually, or that we have the most expensive attack ever, plus the gap between Barca and Cordobas is larger than ever.
When you sum our team's strength, and a gap between the teams, you get Messi with 50 goals, Cr7 with 40 Goals, and Ney+Suarez with 30 Goals.

Would Etoo score 35-40 goals in the current era?
Lol, hell yes.

By that logic any goals Neymar scores works against him as makes it 'easy to score'.

With those rules there is no way whatsoever for Neymar to get credit.

Do you agree that the top 5 in La Liga is much stronger now than in days of Etoo?