11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[Barcaman]

God bless Spain and shooting themselves in a foot with release clauses.

 

[Messi983]

Not really no, buyout fee and the fact that a number of clubs today feel they can pay it is the reason why he has the club by the balls, and he played this card already wich shows he won't play "clean" in this regard to get the wages he wants, no biggie as all players do this ... BUT, giving him the wages AND at the same time keeping the clubs balls in his hands would be the stupidest thing this board would do to date.

Buy out fee should be multiplied at least by the multiplier his wages will get, simple as that; adding 30M would be a joke.

I will believe this when I see some club really pay Neymar's clause and also give him high salary. It's basically a 400-500M investment. Don't see this happening soon.

 

[MaxY]

God bless Spain and shooting themselves in a foot with release clauses.

Well you can always put a huge release clause. Just like Ronaldo has 1 billion, even players like Nacho have 100-200 M release clauses.

 

[Vlom]

I will believe this when I see some club really pay Neymar's clause and also give him high salary. It's basically a 400-500M investment. Don't see this happening soon.

Hopefully the club doesn't do business depending on what you believe or not.

Real Madrid, Man U, Man City, PSG ... all are capable of hitting that buyout if he shows his oct-december level on an entire season for example, no doubt.

Plus, it's not even about that, it's about putting people/fans/socios/the club at ease with all this teasing him and his father have been doing this season, they get their wages, but we sure as hell should not have to worry about the buyout anymore, wich won't be the case if it's only upped to 220M from 190 ...

 

[Flavia]

The renewal of the contract of Neymar, which ends on June 30 2018, continues its course. While all reports indicate that the agreement between the parties is very close, some details are yet to be determined. There is no hurry: the signing can be done once the season is over, in June, but important details should be determined in the upcoming days. For example, the termination clause of the contract, which is one of the most controversial issues in these negotiations.


The figure included in the current contract is €190 million. A great amount of money, but not to frighten Manchester United. Therefore, the club wants to increase it as much as possible (the figure currently negotiated would be around €220 million, according to the newspaper Mundo Deportivo), but it must be always kept below Messi's €250M clause. This is the real limit, both for salary and the clause: Messi's figures.
Moreover, the Brazilian's father has claimed in several interviews for legal and tax guarantees to continue in Barcelona and the Spanish league. This could result in a commitment to defend Neymar against the investigations of the Spanish justice and even facing possible fines.

http://www.weloba.com/eu250-million-the-clause-limit-for-neymar

This makes more sense than saying it's a plot from neymar's camp.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Well you can always put a huge release clause. Just like Ronaldo has 1 billion, even players like Nacho have 100-200 M release clauses.

No you can't and many of this figures is probably incorrect btw
Release clauses is wage related .clubs can't just put the release clause they want .

 

[Vlom]

Haha, yes it's Messi's fault Neymar doesn't want a higher buyout

Messi's buyout clause and wages will be adjusted, but no way in hell the club is considering upping Ney's by a miserable 30M only ... and this is no conspiracy theory against Neymar, it has been a redundant subject all along the negociations that they don't agree yet on how high the buyout will be set, club wanting it (logically) as high as possible, while Ney camp wants it to stay low, which doesn't speak well for their intentions.

If Messi cared for this bullshit value (in his case, since he's not planning to leave) he'd have had it upped to 1B$ a looooong time ago to match CR7's, he didn't, as it doesn't even matter if someone hits it or not, and his ego doesn't need that (contrary to wage where YES he needs to be the best paid, rightfully).

 

[Flavia]

Buyouts are set according to wages. So, unless Messi is renewed before Neymar, Neymar's figures won't surpass Messi's. This is pretty obvious.

 

[Barcaman]

How can Ronaldo have 1 billion then?

 

[Vlom]

How come Busquets has 175 when he earns 3 times less than Messi ? or Mats has 80M when he earns something around 5 to 6 times less, etc etc ..

Doesn't make sense, it might be related but definitely not a rigid formula.

 

[MaxY]

How can Ronaldo have 1 billion then?

Because what they are saying about wages and buyout clause is not true. Ronaldo has a 1 Billion release clause, Modrić has a £387 M release clause. Our 4th freaking CB has a release clause of something like 150 M. It's not related to wages . You can stump a release clause and as long as the player agrees to it it's fine. Ofc the player wants a reasonably low release clause so he can change clubs if he's willing but if the club is smart they'll negotiate a bigger clause.

 

[Vlom]

This is a case where logic will be smashed to the grounds, Messi dragged through the mud without him saying or doing anything ... to avoid the most obvious and painful explanation, the Neyclan wants to keep their options open and leverage for future negociations, while getting the wage they want.. basically concede nothing, get everything.

Simple, as, that.

EDIT : Yep, just checked, Modric has a 500M€ buyout, VS approximately 8M€ wage pretax ... Neymar will earn at least 3x that with his new contract, so buyout can be $1B without a shadow of an issue with LFP.

 

[Flavia]

Because what they are saying about wages and buyout clause is not true. Ronaldo has a 1 Billion release clause, Modrić has a £387 M release clause. Our 4th freaking CB has a release clause of something like 150 M. It's not related to wages at all. You can stump a release clause and as long as the player agrees to it it's fine. Ofc the player wants a reasonably low release clause so he can change clubs if he's willing but if the club is smart they'll negotiate a bigger clause.

It is true. There was a precedent in 2005 with a sociedad player. He got his buyout lowered by a Spanish Court, because it was too high compared to his salary and market value.
That's how those are calculated. I don't know how it works for rm, as they make their own law in spain. But the actual law is that wages and the player's value are taken in consideration to calculate that value.

 

[Flavia]

This is a case where logic will be smashed to the grounds, Messi dragged through the mud without him saying or doing anything ... to avoid the most obvious and painful explanation, the Neyclan wants to keep their options open and leverage for future negociations, while getting the wage they want.. basically concede nothing, get everything.

Simple, as, that.

EDIT : Yep, just checked, Modric has a 500M€ buyout, VS approximately 8M€ wage pretax ... Neymar will earn at least 3x that with his new contract, so buyout can be $1B without a shadow of an issue with LFP.

There's nothing obvious, nor Messi is to blame. Barça follow the law, otherwise the club get in trouble. Or Messi's buyout would be 1 trillion, instead of 250m.

 

[Vlom]

Flavia .. come on, a real sociedad player ? This is Neymar we're talking about, even if the law says it has to be reasonable VS the player's market value, than 500M€ is more than realistic for Bdo Podium player when Modric has that same amount.

This is not about the law, this is not about Messi's buyout ... this is about what Neymar will accept.

You choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and look for every possible other explanation, I, in regards to the history since his signing and his father's flirting all season long, don't.